Best LL-01 Oil Right Now?

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: PimTac
Interesting opinion thread started by a new poster with a interesting stage name. Coincidence?

Yeah I have to agree. At first I thought it was a legit question but I now see the error of my way.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

Psychological Operations right here on BITOG?

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Leo99
Some folks like to think that their application requires a little better than whatever minimum spec is required.

Please point out in their marketing materials or on their website where they claim that either product exceeds the requirements of Longlife-01. They don’t actually even say that it meets it.

If you can’t do that, then it’s just another case of imagination.

 

[Leo99]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: Leo99
Some folks like to think that their application requires a little better than whatever minimum spec is required.

Please point out in their marketing materials or on their website where they claim that either product exceeds the requirements of Longlife-01. They don’t actually even say that it meets it.

If you can’t do that, then it’s just another case of imagination.


Not sure where you're going with this. What product? Whose webpage?

Personally, any oil that meets spec is good enough for me.

 

[dbias]

Im running Ravenol SSL 0W-40 in my A4 for this 10k oci. With NOACK of 8.5, HTHS of 3.7 and a good 10 TBN it appears to the a very good oil. I order through Blauparts and usually catch it on their semi regular 15% off sales so overall not a bad price. But even Ravenol lists the specs it meets API SN, MB-Approval 229.5, Renault RN0700, Renault RN0710, Porsche A40, VW 502 00, VW 505 00, BMW Longlife-01
and then states this
"Practice and tested in aggregates with filling MB 229.3, Fiat 9.55535-M2, Chrysler MS-12633, Chrysler MS-10725, Ford WSS-M2C937-A" so kinda like Amsoil in a way for those specs.

 

[4WD]

Originally Posted By: Bjornviken
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Struggling with that for years … they buy excellent materials from others … formulate an extensive and solid (speaking SS and ASG, synchromesh lines) … but can’t be bothered with actual OEM approvals …
Someone at Amsoil must figure it’s not hurting sales … ?
Yup. My guess is most people don't buy Amsoil for its OEM approvals (or lack thereof). They buy Amsoil because it's Amsoil.


Or they buy it for the amazing TBN, low noack, sheer stable, low pour point. Amsoil would be much more expensive with oem approvals and would not sell anyting in us. Mobil 1 Annual protection is a good exampel


And this thread is about OEM approvals … not Amsoil approvals … how can all the cheap oils afford approvals?

 

[Linctex]

Originally Posted By: RIPGermanCastrol
What are the best LL-01 oils right now ...... I change my oil every 6-7k anyway.


Why such a short oil change?

LL-01 is Probably not needed if only 6K-7K OCI's

 

[Linctex]

Originally Posted By: Bjornviken

But there are better oils for some engines types. And there are junky LL-01 oils and good LL-01 oils.


Which of the LL-01 oils are considered "junky"?

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: RIPGermanCastrol
Kschachn, why be on the site if you aren’t looking for the absolute best oil?

Mightymoosetech, you have a 135i like I do (although mine has an N54), what do you use?



Absolute best is relative. Engineering is all about finding the best value tradespace for a product design.

Basestock is only one knob to turn, and the wife's tale about fake synthetic is just old.

In my N55 I run Pennzoil Platinum 5w-40, but would heavily consider going to low saps euro L 5w-30 if I could get a proper read on NOACK

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: RIPGermanCastrol
Kschachn, why be on the site if you aren’t looking for the absolute best oil?

Mightymoosetech, you have a 135i like I do (although mine has an N54), what do you use?



Absolute best is relative. Engineering is all about finding the best value tradespace for a product design.

Basestock is only one knob to turn, and the wife's tale about fake synthetic is just old.

In my N55 I run Pennzoil Platinum 5w-40, but would heavily consider going to low saps euro L 5w-30 if I could get a proper read on NOACK

Last time I saw it NOACK was 11%.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Leo99
Not sure where you're going with this. What product? Whose webpage?

Personally, any oil that meets spec is good enough for me.

Sorry, misunderstood your statement. I thought you were saying that the two Amsoil products were "better", and I was asking where there was indication of that on either their website or in literature. My mistake.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: RIPGermanCastrol
Kschachn, why be on the site if you aren’t looking for the absolute best oil?

Mightymoosetech, you have a 135i like I do (although mine has an N54), what do you use?



Absolute best is relative. Engineering is all about finding the best value tradespace for a product design.

Basestock is only one knob to turn, and the wife's tale about fake synthetic is just old.

In my N55 I run Pennzoil Platinum 5w-40, but would heavily consider going to low saps euro L 5w-30 if I could get a proper read on NOACK

Last time I saw it NOACK was 11%.

Since Pennzoil Euro L 5w30 meets MB 229.51, doesn't Noack have to be under 10%?

 

[RIPGermanCastrol]

Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: RIPGermanCastrol
What are the best LL-01 oils right now ...... I change my oil every 6-7k anyway.


Why such a short oil change?

LL-01 is Probably not needed if only 6K-7K OCI's


My oil changes are more dictated by time (once a year) than mileage. When I do drive it, the oil temp almost always gets up to operating temp so no short trips (bad for oil). I like the LL-01 because I know it will be good for my engine. I have no doubt that there are tons of non LL-01s that will do as good or maybe even better of a job, but I am with mightymoosetech in that I'd rather not risk it.

To those of accusing me of being a troll, get over yourself. This is an oil forum, not 4chan, reddit, youtube, twitter, instagram, twitch, Facebook, etc. Those who say I am a troll are like right-wingers who call people they disagree with 'cu*ks' or the left-wingers who call everyone they disagree with 'nazis.' You can throw 'troll' around, but it doesn't make your case anymore valid. The username is not a long term username as I don't plan on posting but once a year if that. Let's keep this thread on facts, not name calling.

I also see that Amsoil is somewhat controversial. I have a bias against them because of a post on an M3 forum I read. This M3 owner tested a bunch of oils and talked to engineers at those companies, including Amsoil. The Amsoil engineer basically said that their 0w-30 was magic and "5 years ahead of the competition." When the M3 owner asked about track use, The Amsoil engineer said to use 0w-30 over 10w-60 (the recommended oil) because the engine clearances were too tight and BMW was wrong in recommending 10w-60. It just seemed fishy, a bit like the Amsoil engineer was selling snake oil.

 

[Olas]

It depends if you want 'meets', 'exceeds' or 'approved'.

The smart trick is to look for llo1 that is also A40 and B3/B4 - this will put you into the top 5-10% of lubes available for your application.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: RIPGermanCastrol
To those of accusing me of being a troll, get over yourself. This is an oil forum, not 4chan, reddit, youtube, twitter, instagram, twitch, Facebook, etc. Those who say I am a troll are like right-wingers who call people they disagree with 'cu*ks' or the left-wingers who call everyone they disagree with 'nazis.' You can throw 'troll' around, but it doesn't make your case anymore valid. The username is not a long term username as I don't plan on posting but once a year if that. Let's keep this thread on facts, not name calling.

I also see that Amsoil is somewhat controversial. I have a bias against them because of a post on an M3 forum I read. This M3 owner tested a bunch of oils and talked to engineers at those companies, including Amsoil. The Amsoil engineer basically said that their 0w-30 was magic and "5 years ahead of the competition." When the M3 owner asked about track use, The Amsoil engineer said to use 0w-30 over 10w-60 (the recommended oil) because the engine clearances were too tight and BMW was wrong in recommending 10w-60. It just seemed fishy, a bit like the Amsoil engineer was selling snake oil.

Yeah well that confirms it.

 

[RIPGermanCastrol]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Yeah well that confirms it.


Here is the post if you care to see it: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402869. And yes, I see that I misremembered it as an M3 poster when it was actually on E90post.

You can see I'm not the only one to feel that way, and others in this thread have expressed distrust in Amsoil's lack of certifications. You are either paranoid about trolls infiltrating an oil forum (lol), a fool, or a troll yourself (two can play that game, you see).

Anyway, I decided to go with Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-30 until I found out that only the L version is available in quart sizes. The regular Euro 5w-30 is only available in 55-gallon drums. Begrudgingly, I think I will stick with Castrol 0w-40. While Motul and Ravenol are what I set out to find when I started this thread, their price point certainly reflects that. I can order 7 quarts of Castrol form Walmart right now for $43 while Motul and Ravenol would cost $70+. You get what you pay for.

Thanks to those that replied with the intent to be helpful rather than to be a [censored]. To the guy who could use more vowels in his username, good day to you. You have done a great job running this "troll" off.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: RIPGermanCastrol
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I also see that Amsoil is somewhat controversial. I have a bias against them because of a post on an M3 forum I read. This M3 owner tested a bunch of oils and talked to engineers at those companies, including Amsoil. The Amsoil engineer basically said that their 0w-30 was magic and "5 years ahead of the competition." When the M3 owner asked about track use, The Amsoil engineer said to use 0w-30 over 10w-60 (the recommended oil) because the engine clearances were too tight and BMW was wrong in recommending 10w-60. It just seemed fishy, a bit like the Amsoil engineer was selling snake oil.


I call bunk on this. Amsoil never recommends a viscosity outside what the book says - in particular an "engineer" - Amsoil hasn't used that title too much. I've been involved with Amsoil almost 20 years now.

People such as yourself make Amsoil "controversial", but the product is what it is.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Amsoil never recommends a viscosity outside what the book says - in particular an "engineer" - Amsoil hasn't used that title too much.

According to his linkedin profile, Mr. Darren Wallace is a Sr. Tech Service Specialist at Amsoil, so yeah, not an "engineer," as that e90post.com thread claims.

Also, it's interesting that Amsoil's website says "No recommendations available" for any M3 made during the last 15 years or so. Is it because Amsoil does not currently offer a 10w-60 product?

 

[Bjornviken]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Bjornviken
Or they buy it for the amazing TBN, low noack, sheer stable, low pour point.

You could say the same about Castrol Edge 0w-40. The difference is, Edge 0w-40 not only has the above characteristics but also carries a number of stringent engine mfg approvals, and is still very reasonably priced (in the US) and is easy to find.


Agree, yes the 0w-40 egde is a very good oil too!

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Amsoil never recommends a viscosity outside what the book says - in particular an "engineer" - Amsoil hasn't used that title too much.

According to his linkedin profile, Mr. Darren Wallace is a Sr. Tech Service Specialist at Amsoil, so yeah, not an "engineer," as that e90post.com thread claims.

Also, it's interesting that Amsoil's website says "No recommendations available" for any M3 made during the last 15 years or so. Is it because Amsoil does not currently offer a 10w-60 product?




Thanks. No 10W-60 Automotive oils, although they have some MC 60's - SAE 60, 15W-60 and 10W-60 - which I would use if I had an older M3. BUTTTTTT Amsoil is NOT recommending this, and Amsoil is always quite cautious about such things - not throwing 0W-30 in an M3.