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Re: Magnetic drain plugs and UOA sampling? [Re: CleverUserName] #4629755
01/09/18 09:08 PM
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Bhopkins - do you know about iso codes?

Fitermag claims they've done the test and its worth an iso code drop at minimum if not more.


UD


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Re: Magnetic drain plugs and UOA sampling? [Re: Linctex] #4629832
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot

"M12x1.75x21 Magnetic Drain Plug ..... It includes a 5/16" diameter high temperature Neodymium magnet.


I don't stop with just one....

Originally Posted By: Linctex

Magnets are 8mm N50 neodymium


This is the best and most cost effective option, however those of us who have cartridge filters canít use this method.

Re: Magnetic drain plugs and UOA sampling? [Re: UncleDave] #4630967
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Originally Posted By: UncleDave
Bhopkins - do you know about iso codes?

Fitermag claims they've done the test and its worth an iso code drop at minimum if not more.


UD


I am unfamiliar with ISO particle count as a unit of measurement used in used oil analysis. I've never seen this on any of my UOA reports or any of those shared here on BITOG. Your question did lead me to again visit the Filtermag website and read much of their "science" that explains why they work. It's kind of ironic. Their claims of better results than an oil filter alone is based upon a 20 micron filter. But the kind of person that is so concerned about particles in their oil most likely aren't using a 20 micron oil filter.


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Re: Magnetic drain plugs and UOA sampling? [Re: CleverUserName] #4630985
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Not ironic at all. ISO codes are used by lots of industries as a measurement of particle contamination .

Machinery lubrication has excellent articles on the system as well you can look more here.

A real 20 micron filter is about as tight as you can get and still have it be a full flow.

A Real world example that would match would be a filtermag on Fram ultra thats a 20 [email protected] 99+ full flow filter.


UD

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Re: Magnetic drain plugs and UOA sampling? [Re: CleverUserName] #4630989
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Unless you paid for particle count you wouldn't have got one on your UOA, but I bet if you look harder here you'll se one here and there, but most don't do it.

Here a link real oil analysis place so you can learn about the " science" .

https://polarislabs.com/what-is-particle-count/

The science is real. Did Filtermag run the test and are those results ? You either believe them or not like any other manufacturer

UD

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Re: Magnetic drain plugs and UOA sampling? [Re: CleverUserName] #4631070
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Originally Posted By: CleverUserName
I recently installed a dimple magnetic plug in my engine oil pan.

Has anyone ever tried taking the material captured on the magnet and re-introducing it back into the drained oil, mixing thoroughly, and then grabbing a sample for UOA analysis? If so, how did you do it?

...

Anybody see flaws in this idea, or have a better solution ?


Impossible to do, as others in here have said, it would be like trying to cut open a filter and dumping any metal back into the oil.

Makes no sense, even if it made sense, it would be impossible as any metal on the plug would not mix evenly back into the oil as those particles are now magnetized and will cling together.

I do understand your reasoning, Im a big believer in magnetic oil plugs but what you are trying to do is impossible.
Look at it no differently then using a high quality filter.

If your REALLY that set on knowing if the magnet changes the outcome of a UOA (which it wont) simply do a run without the magnet, the same thinking would be if one oil filter was much better then the other.

Hope this helps :o)
Again, Im a big believer in magnetic oil plugs but it is not going to affect the outcome of your UOA anymore then any oil filter.

I personally like the "goldplug" brand, I hate the price, price is retarded, but rock solid super strong magnetic oil plugs.

Linctex also gets an award with the magnets he places in his oil filter, quite unique idea. (photos are in this thread)

Last edited by alarmguy; 01/11/18 07:28 AM.

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