Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: JTK
Not trying to derail, but rates must vary widely by area. My darling bride cut the turn into a parking lot approach too short and crushed in a section of the rocker panel on our 2016 Nissan Quest against a stone structure. Made it to two payments in this time.. anyway. Before she even came home she swung by the body shop we use for a repair estimate. According to their multi-page estimate, my shop charges $48/hr for body labor and paint labor. FWIW, estimate was $884.
When you break that $884 down to actual working time and materials its a lot more than $48 an hr. Its a numbers game ginned up for insurance companies as they are the ones on the hook much of the time.
If you take the car in for mechanical work (not warranty) they charge upwards of $100 hr around here its more in some dealerships. You pay the parts and the labor and possibly disposal fee, materials and other small padding items. With the body shop its much different.
That job legit is 5-6 working hrs and no more than $125 in materials so take the full 6 hrs and $150 for materials it comes out to $420, where does the other $464 come from?
Charge $90 for 6 hrs and $200 retail for materials and you have $740 I don't see any parts replacement in that job from the pictures. Take shooting a door, prep and actual paint time 3 hrs a bit of paper and disc, half pint of unreduced paint, half a pint reducer, pint of clear, sand and buff another hour.
$45 an hr x 4hrs plus materials comes to $305, now way in Hades are you getting a getting a decent quality job for that, maybe Maaco or Earl Scheib where some franchises used Vaseline back in the day on some of larger chrome trim instead of taping it (no kidding I saw it in the late 70's).
As long as the insurance companies don't see the high labor rates they accept funky numbers for almost everything else. Estimate writing to get it over is almost an art form.
Trav, I hear you on that. I could post a pic of the estimate, but there's nothing listed for parts at all. 10hrs @ $48/hr for body labor, 4.1hrs @ 48/hr for paint and 4.1hrs @ $28/hr for "paint supplies". $21 for "miscellaneous" and $71 sales tax. Dunno what the bride told him, but this would be out of pocket. No insurance.
I figured $740 from the picture, add tax and their miscellaneous and we are getting close eh.
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: JTK
Not trying to derail, but rates must vary widely by area. My darling bride cut the turn into a parking lot approach too short and crushed in a section of the rocker panel on our 2016 Nissan Quest against a stone structure. Made it to two payments in this time.. anyway. Before she even came home she swung by the body shop we use for a repair estimate. According to their multi-page estimate, my shop charges $48/hr for body labor and paint labor. FWIW, estimate was $884.
When you break that $884 down to actual working time and materials its a lot more than $48 an hr. Its a numbers game ginned up for insurance companies as they are the ones on the hook much of the time.
If you take the car in for mechanical work (not warranty) they charge upwards of $100 hr around here its more in some dealerships. You pay the parts and the labor and possibly disposal fee, materials and other small padding items. With the body shop its much different.
That job legit is 5-6 working hrs and no more than $125 in materials so take the full 6 hrs and $150 for materials it comes out to $420, where does the other $464 come from?
Charge $90 for 6 hrs and $200 retail for materials and you have $740 I don't see any parts replacement in that job from the pictures. Take shooting a door, prep and actual paint time 3 hrs a bit of paper and disc, half pint of unreduced paint, half a pint reducer, pint of clear, sand and buff another hour.
$45 an hr x 4hrs plus materials comes to $305, now way in Hades are you getting a getting a decent quality job for that, maybe Maaco or Earl Scheib where some franchises used Vaseline back in the day on some of larger chrome trim instead of taping it (no kidding I saw it in the late 70's).
As long as the insurance companies don't see the high labor rates they accept funky numbers for almost everything else. Estimate writing to get it over is almost an art form.
Trav, I hear you on that. I could post a pic of the estimate, but there's nothing listed for parts at all. 10hrs @ $48/hr for body labor, 4.1hrs @ 48/hr for paint and 4.1hrs @ $28/hr for "paint supplies". $21 for "miscellaneous" and $71 sales tax. Dunno what the bride told him, but this would be out of pocket. No insurance.
I figured $740 from the picture, add tax and their miscellaneous and we are getting close eh.
