Nokian to Build Factory in Tennessee

[DeepFriar]

Originally Posted By: edyvw

You you do live in South, there is no doubt about it.


I see we have entered the insightful comment phase of the discussion. No doubt about it, when faced with common sense and no further useful ideas to offer, always revert to snarky comment and personal statements. Keep killing the messenger and ignoring the obvious edyvw and keep losing whole generations of kids.

What solutions do you offer?

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
Originally Posted By: edyvw

You you do live in South, there is no doubt about it.


I see we have entered the insightful comment phase of the discussion. No doubt about it, when faced with common sense and no further useful ideas to offer, always revert to snarky comment and personal statements. Keep killing the messenger and ignoring the obvious edyvw and keep losing whole generations of kids.

What solutions do you offer?

Parenting, anthropology etc. When I see those "arguments" I refuse to be brought down to that level and then beaten with experience.
Interestingly that "argument" always comes from people who rent kids apartments close to football stadiums, so they can have fun, not from parents who work three jobs to put kids thru school.
I always had soft spot in my heart for people in the South when they try to justify why their education is where it is, or why infant mortality rate is higher then in Tunisia or Oman. As Mo Brooks would say: People who do not live good lives should pay more. Kind of running theme in the South for those in other parts of the country who got shocked by that statement.
And that is why those states have third world economy.

 

[WhizkidTN]

"The Answer" is a NOT a bigger, more expensive so-called Democratic government that is a very poor substitute for family (parents, spouse, etc.). 'Uncle Sugar' as He is known.

"The Answer" is not out and out Socialism (the Venezuelan or European kind) or Communism (any kind).

"The Answer" is looking at you in the mirror. Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you. Do right, love justice. Work hard. Be a good person. Care about the other guy. Care about the future which you may or may not see. We can do better, so get about doing better.

Not. Rocket. Science. Thus, "Here endeth the lesson" - Said in my best Sean Connery voice

 

[DeepFriar]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
Originally Posted By: edyvw

You you do live in South, there is no doubt about it.


I see we have entered the insightful comment phase of the discussion. No doubt about it, when faced with common sense and no further useful ideas to offer, always revert to snarky comment and personal statements. Keep killing the messenger and ignoring the obvious edyvw and keep losing whole generations of kids.

What solutions do you offer?

Parenting, anthropology etc. When I see those "arguments" I refuse to be brought down to that level and then beaten with experience.
Interestingly that "argument" always comes from people who rent kids apartments close to football stadiums, so they can have fun, not from parents who work three jobs to put kids thru school.
I always had soft spot in my heart for people in the South when they try to justify why their education is where it is, or why infant mortality rate is higher then in Tunisia or Oman. As Mo Brooks would say: People who do not live good lives should pay more. Kind of running theme in the South for those in other parts of the country who got shocked by that statement.
And that is why those states have third world economy.


Man, you haven't read a thing I said. Now, can the drama, what are some solutions you can offer?

And by the way, infant mortality rate in Oman is 13.2. In Tunisia it is 21.6. In Alabama it is 8.2 (still too high I know). Source: CIA Factbook. Look it up. Get your data straight because I' m not going to let you get away with the usual histrionics and outright lies.

WHAT SOLUTIONS DO YOU OFFER?

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
You'll be surprised to know that I agree with you on the structural difficulty, it's very real. But that's also a different argument than the earlier one about expense being the issue.

I don't know what argument you're talking about, but it wasn't mine. Here's what I said:

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
We have tons of world-class institutions all over the country. That's not the problem. The problem is that only wealthy people consistently have easy access to those options. If you're not wealthy and/or lucky, your options are... well, let's be polite and say "not as good as in other countries."

So yeah, you can find excellent schools in any state. The only question is how realistic those options are if you're among the vast majority of people who are not rich. In general, and with a few exceptions, the answer to that question is not as good in a southern state as it is in a northeastern or west coast state.

This is commentary on the effect of socioeconomic status writ large. Not sure why your response narrowed it to the price of college, ignoring all the other factors that you say you agree with me on.

If that was just an innocent misread on your part, that's fine. I can only deal with what you put forward, and when you respond to "rich people have better access to education" with "some colleges have lots of financial aid," that paints a rather narrow picture of how you view this issue. If your actual view is wider, I'm happy to accept the agreement and move on.


Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
And I notice that for all the excellent points you make I don't see a solution put forth.

I didn't put forth solutions because we weren't having that discussion.

You took issue with what I said about education. I was backing up my point and rebutting your criticisms.


Regarding the rest of your response, I'm not sure what you've done besides restate and elaborate on your premises -- which, on reflection, I'm not sure how to square with your claim that you acknowledge those systemic factors. I don't know how to respond to that productively.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
I answered the exact comments in that post. Will we now start attacking each other personally?

Let's rewind again.

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Just a few questions: how much was tuition back then, how much did those jobs pay, and what would those amounts come out to in 2017 dollars?

This was in reference to your stories about you and others getting through college, which I'm assuming significantly predated your 2009-2013 Master's degree. It also asks for dollar amounts for college expenses and job pay, adjusted for inflation. Do you not see how stating the date of your most recent Master's degree misses those points entirely?

If you don't want to answer those questions, that's fine. I can't make you. Say so and I'll drop it.

 

[DeepFriar]

Point taken. It should be remembered that those earlier costs and living expenses had to be paid from income earned in low paying jobs in the initial time while in school and the lean years later income thereafter. My first annual rate income after collrge in the mid '70's was $13K/year. It's relative as they say. I took your post as trying to debase my experiences shared earlier - all part of the debate.

If that is not the case I sincerely apologize.I

 

[DeepFriar]

What both of you guys are having trouble getting is that my "view" doesn't matter. Your "view" doesn't matter either. We have to try and deal with what is. How do you think it can be changed for the better? I still haven't seen a single, workable positive solution or set of solutions from you on how to fix this problem. Just complaints that it isn't fair. I've agreed with that. Take yes for an answer. Now tell me how to fix it.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
What both of you guys are having trouble getting is that my "view" doesn't matter. Your "view" doesn't matter either. We have to try and deal with what is. How do you think it can be changed for the better? I still haven't seen a single, workable positive solution or set of solutions from you on how to fix this problem. Just complaints that it isn't fair. I've agreed with that. Take yes for an answer. Now tell me how to fix it.

My parents told me long time ago to use my head and have my opinion. You know: I think, therefore I am.
How to fix it? Well, maybe people in Souther states should start for the beginning electing people who do not sell same malarky all over again, you know: cut taxes, federal government is coming to get you etc.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
Originally Posted By: edyvw

You you do live in South, there is no doubt about it.


I see we have entered the insightful comment phase of the discussion. No doubt about it, when faced with common sense and no further useful ideas to offer, always revert to snarky comment and personal statements. Keep killing the messenger and ignoring the obvious edyvw and keep losing whole generations of kids.

What solutions do you offer?

Parenting, anthropology etc. When I see those "arguments" I refuse to be brought down to that level and then beaten with experience.
Interestingly that "argument" always comes from people who rent kids apartments close to football stadiums, so they can have fun, not from parents who work three jobs to put kids thru school.
I always had soft spot in my heart for people in the South when they try to justify why their education is where it is, or why infant mortality rate is higher then in Tunisia or Oman. As Mo Brooks would say: People who do not live good lives should pay more. Kind of running theme in the South for those in other parts of the country who got shocked by that statement.
And that is why those states have third world economy.


Man, you haven't read a thing I said. Now, can the drama, what are some solutions you can offer?

And by the way, infant mortality rate in Oman is 13.2. In Tunisia it is 21.6. In Alabama it is 8.2 (still too high I know). Source: CIA Factbook. Look it up. Get your data straight because I' m not going to let you get away with the usual histrionics and outright lies.

WHAT SOLUTIONS DO YOU OFFER?


I quoted wrong countries, but I would say UN HDI index is much more accurate then CIA.
So here you go, choose country to compare:
HDI 2013
This is 2013, but you get the point.

 

[d00df00d]

DeepFriar, glad to hear we're making progress. I bet this could be a productive conversation in person. Maybe there's just something weird with this format because there still seems to be some kind of disconnect. I worry that we'd have to continue to spend more time clarifying than actually covering ground. Probably best to just leave it here.

 

[DeepFriar]

I think you're right, forum comms are "2D" at best. It's an area I care deeply about. That Wash U course of study was in developmental economics so trying to get at the core problems is, to me, the foundation of trying to improve things. So, apologies for being contentious at times, I hope it's in a good cause. Cheers.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Finklejag
Their US HQ is in Tennessee, it makes sense to have their factory there also.

Actually, Nokian's US HQ is currently in Vermont, and it seems so far there are no plans to move it...

http://digital.vpr.net/post/nokian-tyres...arters#stream/0


It's interesting how they store tires there...