Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Didn't say all that.The Café requirements are greater than the mfgs can timely meet so we end up with Turbos in economy cars and increasingly thin oils to max out cafe testing results to the exclusion of long term durability. Ever try to remove a turbo so that you can change your spark plugs?
That's a silly blanket statement. If you mean the Civic, the turbo generates nearly 180HP. Ten or 15 years ago, that's not economy that's performance in a small car. Honda isn't just going for fuel economy, they're competing in a tough segment against Mazda which has run circles around them for two decades in terms of performance and driveability. The issue isn't the turbo scorching the "thin oils" in the Honda, the issue is fuel dilution!
The 1998 Civic Si had a DOHC VTEC 1.6 with 160 HP. It wasn't that hard to access that power with a manual transmission. Heck - I remember the Celica GT-S had 180 HP out of a naturally aspirated 1.8.
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Didn't say all that.The Café requirements are greater than the mfgs can timely meet so we end up with Turbos in economy cars and increasingly thin oils to max out cafe testing results to the exclusion of long term durability. Ever try to remove a turbo so that you can change your spark plugs?
That's a silly blanket statement. If you mean the Civic, the turbo generates nearly 180HP. Ten or 15 years ago, that's not economy that's performance in a small car. Honda isn't just going for fuel economy, they're competing in a tough segment against Mazda which has run circles around them for two decades in terms of performance and driveability. The issue isn't the turbo scorching the "thin oils" in the Honda, the issue is fuel dilution!
The 1998 Civic Si had a DOHC VTEC 1.6 with 160 HP. It wasn't that hard to access that power with a manual transmission. Heck - I remember the Celica GT-S had 180 HP out of a naturally aspirated 1.8.