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Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Porsche is licensing a companies ability to sell oil to their spec.
Correction, Porsche is testing and subsequently licensing their approval to companies whose products pass their rigorous testing protocol.
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Are we to believe that a top tier non A40 oil is not as good as one who paid the $35,000 fee?
If the fee is only $35 grand, then that makes the argument even more ridiculous. That's absolutely nothing to any major blender, which is likely why AMSOIL had no problem paying for it either (they are now selling approved lubricants, in case you were unaware). And yes, we are definitely to believe that. Let me give you an example:
Many years ago VW spec'd a VW-approved 5w-30 for their cars, they had a dealership agreement with Castrol, who was the dealer fill provider. VW North America didn't get the memo on the important distinction between 5w-30 and the VW approved 5w-30 and subsequently the dealers, who could purchase "regular" Castrol Syntec 5w-30 at a much lower cost, were using that in the cars instead of the OEM approved product. The result was a sludge and engine failure epidemic because while both products were "premium synthetic" 5w-30's, the OEM approved product had to pass far more stringent testing parameters which included long oil change interval capability that the North American market product did not.
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
If I produced a car I would do the same. Sell certs.... Not really a good business model for anybody but the company. It sours the integrity. We rehashed this prior with the folks at Kendall...... then they met the Porsche specs but no longer wanted to pay for the rights to advertise it.
Is Kendall that hard up that they can't spend the $35K you mentioned earlier, but a small blender like AMSOIL can? I'm quite certain there is far more to the story than that.
And I'm of the opposite opinion as you. Licensing a certification that carries with it extensive real world engine testing which guarantees a lubricant that is a specific level of quality bolsters the integrity, not sours it. If we were to follow your logic then the gas station mystery oils which have been demonstrated by the PQIA to be absolute blending disasters should be the definition of awesome sauce
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
That's what I'm saying...... One day their oil was A40 rated and the next day it was not usable because they quit paying Porsche. Where is the consistency in that?
Perhaps their product no longer met the updated version of the test protocol? Similar to what is rumoured to have happened with Mobil 1 0w-40 and BMW with the new version of the product. M1 0w-40 is no longer suitable for use in applications that require LL-01, and have updated their literature to reflect that. Will it be certified again at some point? Possibly. But as of right now it is not an approved product and Mobil will NOT stand behind its use in that application. This is quite different from AMSOIL's verbiage on using a product "recommended for" that does not carry said approval, or even Castrol's language regarding the Chrysler 0w-40 spec.
Porsche is licensing a companies ability to sell oil to their spec.
Correction, Porsche is testing and subsequently licensing their approval to companies whose products pass their rigorous testing protocol.
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Are we to believe that a top tier non A40 oil is not as good as one who paid the $35,000 fee?
If the fee is only $35 grand, then that makes the argument even more ridiculous. That's absolutely nothing to any major blender, which is likely why AMSOIL had no problem paying for it either (they are now selling approved lubricants, in case you were unaware). And yes, we are definitely to believe that. Let me give you an example:
Many years ago VW spec'd a VW-approved 5w-30 for their cars, they had a dealership agreement with Castrol, who was the dealer fill provider. VW North America didn't get the memo on the important distinction between 5w-30 and the VW approved 5w-30 and subsequently the dealers, who could purchase "regular" Castrol Syntec 5w-30 at a much lower cost, were using that in the cars instead of the OEM approved product. The result was a sludge and engine failure epidemic because while both products were "premium synthetic" 5w-30's, the OEM approved product had to pass far more stringent testing parameters which included long oil change interval capability that the North American market product did not.
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
If I produced a car I would do the same. Sell certs.... Not really a good business model for anybody but the company. It sours the integrity. We rehashed this prior with the folks at Kendall...... then they met the Porsche specs but no longer wanted to pay for the rights to advertise it.
Is Kendall that hard up that they can't spend the $35K you mentioned earlier, but a small blender like AMSOIL can? I'm quite certain there is far more to the story than that.
And I'm of the opposite opinion as you. Licensing a certification that carries with it extensive real world engine testing which guarantees a lubricant that is a specific level of quality bolsters the integrity, not sours it. If we were to follow your logic then the gas station mystery oils which have been demonstrated by the PQIA to be absolute blending disasters should be the definition of awesome sauce
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
That's what I'm saying...... One day their oil was A40 rated and the next day it was not usable because they quit paying Porsche. Where is the consistency in that?
Perhaps their product no longer met the updated version of the test protocol? Similar to what is rumoured to have happened with Mobil 1 0w-40 and BMW with the new version of the product. M1 0w-40 is no longer suitable for use in applications that require LL-01, and have updated their literature to reflect that. Will it be certified again at some point? Possibly. But as of right now it is not an approved product and Mobil will NOT stand behind its use in that application. This is quite different from AMSOIL's verbiage on using a product "recommended for" that does not carry said approval, or even Castrol's language regarding the Chrysler 0w-40 spec.
