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#4331937 - 02/17/17 11:57 AM Rutgers barred students from career fair
Mr Nice Offline


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Rutgers turns students away from career fair for silly dress code violations.

http://www.nj.com/education/2017/02/rutgers_dress_code_controversy_career_fair_busines.html


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#4331940 - 02/17/17 12:01 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Mr Nice]
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First step in getting hired for a job, is to correctly fill out the application.

This was a good lesson

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#4331963 - 02/17/17 12:21 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Mr Nice]
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It's idiotic to expect a college student to go buy a black or dark grey suit if they already have a dark blue suit...wow, it's not like kids were wearing wife beaters and jams to the fair, how stupid. Heck, they show the prez of Rutgers wearing a dark blue pinstripe...
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#4331970 - 02/17/17 12:24 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: surfstar]
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Originally Posted By: surfstar
First step in getting hired for a job, is to correctly fill out the application.

This was a good lesson

wink


Agreed.

Although I do not agree with a suit color requirement (and note that if someone had an issue it should have been discussed BEFORE the job fair), there nevertheless was a requirement to interview. The article did not say, but perhaps the standards were created by the interviewing companies and not Rutgers.

Edit: Rutgers' minimum tuition is more than $31k per semester; so it is not like these students could not afford to show up in the correct clothing.


Edited by Kuato (02/17/17 12:27 PM)
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#4331976 - 02/17/17 12:32 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Mr Nice]
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The university implemented the dress code after feedback from employers, according to the report. In previous years, Rutgers students failed to present themselves well at the event, the university told the student newspaper.

A flier with the dress code provided specific detail on what student should and should not wear.


It sounds pretty simple. The school was getting negative feedback regarding the students choice of clothing. The school sent out some information regarding dress code requirements. Some students were so incapable that they couldn't even follow the simple directions and were turned away. Now the buttercups are crying because of their own incompetence.

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#4331979 - 02/17/17 12:37 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Pop_Rivit]
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Agreed. I think many employers do simple things like this to weed out the dopes who won't read the application/interview instructions. They want reliable employees who can do basic things like read, understand, and follow instructions and this is an easy test to filter out those who can't.

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#4331985 - 02/17/17 12:48 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Drew99GT]
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I thought modern technology companies have a hoodie dress code. That's what that Facebook guy wears 90% of the time.
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#4331996 - 02/17/17 12:59 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Mr Nice]
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If they looked decent they should have been let in. Not everyone wants to look like a 90 year old man wearing the most boring suit possible.
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#4332016 - 02/17/17 01:11 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Kuato]
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Registered: 06/25/15
Posts: 2008
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: Kuato


Agreed.

Although I do not agree with a suit color requirement (and note that if someone had an issue it should have been discussed BEFORE the job fair), there nevertheless was a requirement to interview. The article did not say, but perhaps the standards were created by the interviewing companies and not Rutgers.

Edit: Rutgers' minimum tuition is more than $31k per semester; so it is not like these students could not afford to show up in the correct clothing.


Guess you've never heard of financial aid?
I went to a very expensive private school but paid no tuition, just room and board...even then, I didn't have lots of spare cash laying around for buying extra suits. I even wore a horrible old clip on tie to my on campus interviews, luckily I had a friend give me a real tie and teach me a half Windsor before I flew out for my plant trips.
Also know a kid who is going to Rutgers on a free ride for sports, by coincidence. Will have to warn her about buying the right color dress and shoes.
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#4332029 - 02/17/17 01:19 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Nick1994]
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
If they looked decent they should have been let in. Not everyone wants to look like a 90 year old man wearing the most boring suit possible.

This isn't about what the students want. As mentioned above, companies will sometimes require specific dress codes for interviews to weed out people who won't or can't follow specific instructions. Attention to detail is a required skill for many professional jobs.

In my outfit, applicants are sent dress instructions with their interview date and time. It only says "business", which means a suit to most people. Slacks and a dress shirt are okay. There's also a phone number and email address where they can make inquiries about the interview process. I've only ever gotten one call; I steered a low-income applicant to a local thrift store so he could dress the part. I won't interview anyone who shows up with jeans or a t-shirt.
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#4332030 - 02/17/17 01:19 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: turtlevette]
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Registered: 06/25/15
Posts: 2008
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
I thought modern technology companies have a hoodie dress code. That's what that Facebook guy wears 90% of the time.


I stand out a bit in my tech company office because I still wear button down long sleeve dress shirts and chinos...most of my coworkers, even managers, wear jeans and polos or tshirts.
I wore a blazer and a tie for a day of customer meetings in the Bay Area some time ago and the salespeople laughed their heads off at me...they said that was viewed as horribly old fashioned and a dress shirt with jeans was generally seen as formal in Silicon Valley. It was funny because I was one of the youngest people in the meetings...
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#4332033 - 02/17/17 01:22 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Bandito440]
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Registered: 06/25/15
Posts: 2008
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: Bandito440

This isn't about what the students want. As mentioned above, companies will sometimes require specific dress codes for interviews to weed out people who won't or can't follow specific instructions. Attention to detail is a required skill for many professional jobs.

In my outfit, applicants are sent dress instructions with their interview date and time. It only says "business", which means a suit to most people. Slacks and a dress shirt are okay. There's also a phone number and email address where they can make inquiries about the interview process. I've only ever gotten one call; I steered a low-income applicant to a local thrift store so he could dress the part. I won't interview anyone who shows up with jeans or a t-shirt.


This all makes sense, but turning kids away over dark blue vs. dark grey is just asinine. Rutgers should be focused on helping their students find jobs, not on teaching them about picking nits.
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#4332050 - 02/17/17 01:34 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Virtus_Probi]
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Registered: 10/02/16
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi


This all makes sense, but turning kids away over dark blue vs. dark grey is just asinine. Rutgers should be focused on helping their students find jobs, not on teaching them about picking nits.

Agreed

If you show up in a suit and tie, you're making an effort to look presentable and professional.

If they were turning people away for wearing t-shirts and shorts, then that would be a different story.

"Sorry sir your suit is the wrong shade of blue" gotta be kidding me lol

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#4332064 - 02/17/17 01:49 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Virtus_Probi]
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Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 1829
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi

This all makes sense, but turning kids away over dark blue vs. dark grey is just asinine. Rutgers should be focused on helping their students find jobs, not on teaching them about picking nits.


No, it is NOT asinine.

I work in aerospace, and sometimes when billions of $$$$ worth of contracts are on the line, you will wear the proper suit when you appear before the secretary of defense, dammit!

Now, we are doing a plane for Sir Richard Branson as well, so naturally HE can wear what he feels comfortable in.... but professionalism is STILL expected from those responsible for designing, engineering and building products that go into space.

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#4332066 - 02/17/17 01:50 PM Re: Rutgers barred students from career fair [Re: Mr Nice]
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Registered: 12/30/06
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I totally agree with Rutgers,these adults were informed of a dress code which they violated. Once these adult children show up for work one day,if they violate dress code,they will be shown the door there too. Rules and regulations are all a part of being a functioning grown up.
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