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#4298027 - 01/09/17 06:54 PM VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail
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WSJ = A Volkswagen AG executive was arrested and charged as part of a U.S. investigation into the German auto giantís emissions-cheating scandal, with a federal complaint detailing how the companyís top management conspired to hide the cheating from regulators.

Oliver Schmidt, who was once in charge of ensuring that Volkswagen vehicles complied with U.S. emissions, was arrested by Federal Bureau of Investigation agents on Saturday at Miami International Airport as he prepared to fly home to Germany. He is suspected of conspiring to defraud the U.S. government and U.S. consumers to sell Volkswagen diesel vehicles.

In one of the most dramatic scenes to unfold since Volkswagen admitted in September 2015 to installing illegal software on millions of its vehicles to cheat emissions test, the portly executive stood forlorn-looking before a U.S. magistrate in Florida on Monday in handcuffs, shackles and a tan jumpsuit.

He was denied bail pending a Thursday court appearance for fear he could flee to Germany.

ďAnd if he goes back, heís never coming back,Ē Benjamin Singer, a Justice Department lawyer, told the court. Mr. Singer said an attorney for Mr. Schmidt had alerted government lawyers that the executive would be in Florida for vacation.

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#4298043 - 01/09/17 07:06 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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The corp didn't lobby enough $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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#4298056 - 01/09/17 07:26 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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"Mr. Singer said an attorney for Mr. Schmidt had alerted government lawyers that the executive would be in Florida for vacation"

With lawyers like that, who needs enemies?
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#4298058 - 01/09/17 07:27 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: CT8]
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Originally Posted By: CT8
The corp didn't lobby enough $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


That or should have hired the lawyers that represented the banks during the bailouts.
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#4298060 - 01/09/17 07:28 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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He's going to be shipped to Detroit where the case against him is being prepared.

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#4298062 - 01/09/17 07:28 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Jimzz]
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Originally Posted By: Jimzz
Originally Posted By: CT8
The corp didn't lobby enough $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


That or should have hired the lawyers that represented the banks during the bailouts.
You are smarter than I!
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#4298064 - 01/09/17 07:29 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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Bullies. A very long list of criminals freely walking the streets of the US.
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#4298068 - 01/09/17 07:31 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: SatinSilver]
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
He's going to be shipped to Detroit where the case against him is being prepared.
Detroit ? Strange.
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#4298070 - 01/09/17 07:32 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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I hope he spends a long time in jail.
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#4298075 - 01/09/17 07:36 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: CT8]
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Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
He's going to be shipped to Detroit where the case against him is being prepared.
Detroit ? Strange.


Yes, it is and here's the article:

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-volkswagen-arrest-20170109-story.html


Edited by SatinSilver (01/09/17 07:45 PM)

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#4298076 - 01/09/17 07:37 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
fields Offline


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Bet he can get a fair trial in Detroit.

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#4298082 - 01/09/17 07:43 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Nick1994]
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
I hope he spends a long time in jail.



yes cheaters should spend time in jail, this guy will take one for the team!

you can thank vw for screwing any future deisels in the US, they will be too expensive.

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#4298122 - 01/09/17 08:20 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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He should be joining our SEC Bank Executives who got us in the economic mess through their greed. Ed
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#4298127 - 01/09/17 08:22 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Nick1994]
madRiver Offline


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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
I hope he spends a long time in jail.


Why????? It's federal white collar crime that was unethical but did not hurt anyone.

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#4298128 - 01/09/17 08:23 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Eddie]
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I think he traveled to Miami from Germany. What a vacation that turned out to be. smile

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#4298223 - 01/09/17 09:52 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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perhaps he's headed to an all-inclusive resort?
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#4298243 - 01/09/17 10:23 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: madRiver]
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
I hope he spends a long time in jail.


Why????? It's federal white collar crime that was unethical but did not hurt anyone.


Does pollution kill?
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#4298260 - 01/09/17 10:46 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: madRiver]
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
I hope he spends a long time in jail.


Why????? It's federal white collar crime that was unethical but did not hurt anyone.


White collar crime? So just because he didn't pull out a gun and shoot people in the head means he shouldn't have jail time?

What about someone stealing millions of dollars from a company? Just a slap on the wrist?
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#4298347 - 01/10/17 06:33 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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Low hanging fruit. An arrest needed before January 20th.
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#4298394 - 01/10/17 07:48 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: VNTS]
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Originally Posted By: VNTS
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
I hope he spends a long time in jail.



yes cheaters should spend time in jail, this guy will take one for the team!

you can thank vw for screwing any future deisels in the US, they will be too expensive.


2018 F150 engine option will include a 3.0L diesel.

2018 GM mid-size SUVs will include a diesel option.

These 2 additions will have a far greater reach on diesel adoption than VW alone ever could.
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#4298745 - 01/10/17 02:21 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: madRiver]
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Why????? It's federal white collar crime that was unethical but did not hurt anyone.


Sure it did, the up to 40x elevated emissions didn't help anyone's lungs. If you don't mind breathing in tons of extra toxins then have at it.

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#4298782 - 01/10/17 03:10 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
rshaw125 Offline


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Big deal. They already paid a massive billion dollar settlement. This is nothing but politics before January 20th.
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#4298825 - 01/10/17 03:46 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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Lucky GM execs. The rotating key debacle only killed 124 people and didn't pollute the air.
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#4298827 - 01/10/17 03:47 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Danno]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Danno
With lawyers like that, who needs enemies?

He should have hired Vijay Mallya's lawyers. That man knows when it's safe to travel. wink
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#4299297 - 01/11/17 06:47 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: SatinSilver]
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Why????? It's federal white collar crime that was unethical but did not hurt anyone.


Sure it did, the up to 40x elevated emissions didn't help anyone's lungs. If you don't mind breathing in tons of extra toxins then have at it.


The post was in response to going to a jail for a long time ...I believe some sort of fine and or jail time in minimum security is appropriate if guilty however this is not jail in a long time crime....

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#4299300 - 01/11/17 06:50 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: SatinSilver]
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Why????? It's federal white collar crime that was unethical but did not hurt anyone.


Sure it did, the up to 40x elevated emissions didn't help anyone's lungs. If you don't mind breathing in tons of extra toxins then have at it.


i noticed references to Jan 20 but after that appointees don't believe in environment or any science or pollution etc.

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#4299316 - 01/11/17 07:16 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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If you're an executive and you sign your name to something in bad faith there should be legal repercussions up to and including jail.

We should have arrested fifty-odd bankers during the bail-out back in 2008. The charge would have been perjury for signing a quarterly report with an artificially rosy view. They'd have whined loudly but it would have shown the common man that we don't appreciate people playing fast and loose.

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#4299368 - 01/11/17 08:15 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: SatinSilver]
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Why????? It's federal white collar crime that was unethical but did not hurt anyone.


Sure it did, the up to 40x elevated emissions didn't help anyone's lungs. If you don't mind breathing in tons of extra toxins then have at it.


Sure, but older cars pour out more than that, I bet. And it's legal for them to do so. As they met the requirements for their date of manufacture. Hence I don't get up in arms about this, as it's not quite a double standard--but is.

Jail time is appropriate here, and the bit "no bail" is only because he is a true flight risk--but it sure makes the case sound all the more sinister, doesn't it?
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#4299445 - 01/11/17 09:57 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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This is not the same as the banks. You guys have to understand that the US government guaranteed all those loans. The bailouts were a mere formality, not something that was won in courts.
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#4299742 - 01/11/17 03:22 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: eljefino]
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
If you're an executive and you sign your name to something in bad faith there should be legal repercussions up to and including jail.

We should have arrested fifty-odd bankers during the bail-out back in 2008. .....


This is correct, although I suspect the number of bankers is considerably more than 50.

This man is not likley to stand trial or go to jail. He will be squeezed until he flips to snitch on bigger and better fish.

edit: here, federal prisoners awaiting trial are kept under contract by local county jails. If this German executive is being held in a local Detroit county jail, one can only wonder how long it will take before he is singing like a bird.


Edited by Win (01/11/17 03:31 PM)
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#4299856 - 01/11/17 06:18 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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They should just seize the guys passport and let him sit out on bail....

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#4299864 - 01/11/17 06:35 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Vern_in_IL]
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Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
I hope he spends a long time in jail.


Why????? It's federal white collar crime that was unethical but did not hurt anyone.


Does pollution kill?


Going by that every farmer that increases the size of his livestock herd should be locked up because the cows pass gas more. duh
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#4299929 - 01/11/17 08:07 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
[Going by that every farmer that increases the size of his livestock herd should be locked up because the cows pass gas more. duh


If there were huge laws that say his cows can only produce so much methane gas per acre, and he lied to the government that he had 40x more cows than he promised there was, then yeah, he should absolutely be locked up.
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#4300205 - 01/12/17 07:48 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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Was anybody locked up, or even fined during the EPA's mine clean up incident?
Was anybody locked up or even fined when EPA was pumping raw diesel fumes into the lungs of homeless and children without full disclosure?
Was anybody locked up or even fined for using the dirty fuel in the cargo ships, that is supposed to be outlawed, so that you gen get your cheap, Chinese goods from RockAuto, Walmart, Amazon, etc?
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#4300286 - 01/12/17 09:32 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Win]
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Win,
can we expect some response from the German Government (DE citizen seized while in vacation, probably german authorities not tipped to approve) and the state of Florida (bothering a vacationing tourist)?
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#4300381 - 01/12/17 11:02 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: madRiver]
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
They should just seize the guys passport and let him sit out on bail....

Agreed. Without getting political (which tells me that this whole issue is political), we know that the U.S. and Canada have great difficulty deporting people without passports, between getting them on an airplane in the first place and then finding them a destination. Yet, we cannot seize this guy's passport to prevent him from fleeing? If it doesn't sound likely, it probably isn't.
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#4300703 - 01/12/17 05:55 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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Only difference between white collar criminals and the guy who robs you at the ATM is with one you have a headache. White collar crime causes more damage to society, but too many want to give them a pass because they are "not violent". The sociopath is a conniving POS and at least as dangerous as a violent criminal.


Edited by Silverado12 (01/12/17 05:57 PM)
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#4301176 - 01/13/17 08:41 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Silverado12]
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What you say is quite true. But, from a legal perspective, the reasons to keep someone in custody (in either Canada or the States) before a trial are quite narrow. The primary concern is failure to appear, and that's the concern given here. Of course, that can be dealt with in other ways. They fear he'll flee to Germany, not take up a life of panhandling in Florida. So, address him fleeing to Europe. The other concerns are often to do with continuation of the offence, but I doubt that the second he's released from jail, he'll grab a laptop and disable emissions devices on random VW diesels he finds parked by unaware motorists.
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#4303070 - 01/15/17 12:39 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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Was anyone arrested after the huge, toxic Colorado mine spill caused by EPA staff and contractors?

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#4303182 - 01/15/17 02:20 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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He's a real idiot for coming to the US.

But Germans can't resist our area for some reason.
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#4303373 - 01/15/17 05:22 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: DoubleWasp]
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
He's a real idiot for coming to the US.

I can't deny that. There are some good times to simply stay out of Dodge, as it were.
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#4303392 - 01/15/17 05:42 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: madRiver]
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
They should just seize the guys passport and let him sit out on bail....


Getting bail by the feds before being presented to the district prosecuting the case is not common.

Even if the Magistrate approved of bail, the prosecution could appeal the Mag's decision and he would be sent to the originating district anyway for the appeal.

Once he is in front of a magistrate in the originating district, he is far more likely to be granted bail.

Given that he is not a citizen, and has no residence at all here in the US, it's not the best bet in the world, but better.
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#4303624 - 01/15/17 08:46 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: DoubleWasp]
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
He's a real idiot for coming to the US.

But Germans can't resist our area for some reason.


Just legendary German confidence. Heck, big part of this great nation success is this German heritage: confidence and competitiveness. Remember, Mr Franklin was afraid that English could disappear due to overwhelming use of German in PA? TX was also very German at one time. Strong, confident, competitive.. But this guy got to be arrogant a bit over second standard deviation smile

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#4303756 - 01/15/17 10:54 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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Volkswagen has warned its senior managers not to travel to the United States after six current and former managers were indicted for their role in the German carmaker's diesel test-cheating scheme, according to Reuters.

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#4304184 - 01/16/17 01:27 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Garak]
Win Offline


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Originally Posted By: Garak
..... Yet, we cannot seize this guy's passport to prevent him from fleeing? ....


Between the time you wrote this and my reply, hundreds, if not thousands, of people will have traversed the southern border of the United States. A passport is not essential for ingress and egress in the United States.

Europe ( and Germany ) are not dependable for extradition, e.g. Roman Polanski.
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#4304350 - 01/16/17 05:03 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Win]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Win
Between the time you wrote this and my reply, hundreds, if not thousands, of people will have traversed the southern border of the United States. A passport is not essential for ingress and egress in the United States.

Europe ( and Germany ) are not dependable for extradition, e.g. Roman Polanski.

I agree on these points, of course. However, with the former point, I doubt that this is the type of person who would try to leave the U.S. by taking a long walk through the desert or half buried under a load of manure on a forty year old pickup. wink If he wants to get on a plane and fly to Germany, having no passport would slow him down very much. Order an ankle bracelet at his cost, even.
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#4304945 - 01/17/17 09:45 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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The GPS bracelets, here anyway, are for home detention, and this guy's home is in Germany, so that's a problematic argument.

Detroit is pretty close to Canada, and there wouldn't be much to stop him from crossing that border.

My WAG was that they were going to hold this guy to squeeze him and flip him, but it seems more plausible that they flipped him back in Germany, and we are watching his social cover for ratting out the others. It doesn't make much sense that he came to the U.S. for vacation when he could be facing 169 years in jail - unless he already had a deal made, or that his lawyer tipped off the feds to arrest him. The dramatic last second arrest getting on the plane, and holding him without bond is part of the cover show. We have yet to see the traditional perp walk by the feds of the disgraced big shot, I might add.

It will be interesting to watch the show. It looks unseemly that VW is the one to get the book thrown at it when so much white collar crime, in the private sector and government, has been virtually ignored for criminal prosecution, but I guess you have to start somewhwere.
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#4305361 - 01/17/17 06:03 PM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Y_K]
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The whole emissions system is a crime anyway.

Pollute to your desire as long as you buy the right credits?

Bill a company as a clean company, when they are allowed to rack up cash selling credits to enable pollution to go on somewhere else?

It's like Icelandic banking of 10 years ago.
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#4305758 - 01/18/17 03:02 AM Re: VAG Exec Arrested - No Bail [Re: Win]
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Originally Posted By: Win
Detroit is pretty close to Canada, and there wouldn't be much to stop him from crossing that border.

Without a passport, there'd be plenty stopping him. wink Oh well, we'll have to see how everything works out, I suppose.
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