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#4297308 - 01/09/17 02:32 AM Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ?
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
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Loc: GA.
As long as GM and Ford have been offering electronic oil life monitors you would think all vehicles would have them by now ? That is the one main pet peeve I have with my Hyundai / Kia vehicles . The best they can offer now is a "set your own maintenance" schedule via the electronic dash ... What gives ? Are OLM's really that difficult to design ?
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#4297312 - 01/09/17 03:16 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
B320i Offline


Registered: 03/18/15
Posts: 460
Loc: Australia
With all the reports of carbon buildup and such in the DI engines, I wonder if a lesser, rigid interval could be best?

In regards to OLM technology, I think its hard to perfect. BMW until the mid-late 1990s used an algorithm of cold starts, mileage and engine RPM to determine the OCI. AFAIK, the system they changed to after that, a fuel usage + in-sump "electronic oil sensor" calculate the OCI these days.
My vehicle uses the older of the two. Despite changing from all highway driving to a mix of city and highway driving, the interval has actually gotten minutely longer, if anything (THREAD

I do not know what system GM and other OEs use, but have people noticed it varying the OCI significantly between constant short-tripping vs. highway miles?
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#4297329 - 01/09/17 05:24 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
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You are correct, no OLM. And as long as H/K continues it's current engine powertrain warranty, I don't foresee it changing any time in the near future.

The 6 month max OCI/FCI and including most any kind of driving as severe service allows H/K to keep relatively frequent oil changes. Many times that would be with relatively (as compared to many other manufacturers) low miles per oci.

So, I don't believe it's about not being able to design and implement an OLM. It's about no desire or incentive to do so with the current warranty. I'd say it's the price one pays for that heavily promoted warranty.

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#4297346 - 01/09/17 06:20 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Registered: 07/22/15
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I don't like nagging OLMs.
Rather not have any.

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#4297353 - 01/09/17 06:35 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Registered: 12/14/10
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From a pure engineering perspective, programming an OLM is really straightforward with the amount of data that is generated during the development phases. However, engineering does not operate in a vacuum so when you bring marketing and other groups into the mix it can quickly become a mess.
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#4297355 - 01/09/17 06:42 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: AirgunSavant]
supton Offline


Registered: 11/09/08
Posts: 10997
Loc: NH
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
I don't like nagging OLMs.
Rather not have any.


I'm not against it. It'd be nice if it was programmable, though. One could program theirs to go off at 3k, 4k, 6.5k, or whatever OCI they decide to run. I know I prefer to do 5k or 10k OCI's on the basis that it's dirt simple to remember when to do it--just look at the odo's 1,000 mile digit. Otherwise I need to write it down and stick it on the windshield.
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#4297358 - 01/09/17 06:47 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Registered: 07/03/05
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Loc: NY
I wouldn't miss it. I like Supton's idea of making it programmable.
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#4297373 - 01/09/17 07:13 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Loc: Miami, FL
As long as they have miles/time countdown, that's ok with me. The Corolla's is also a generic countdown.
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#4297385 - 01/09/17 07:26 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: supton]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 34336
Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
I don't like nagging OLMs.
Rather not have any.


I'm not against it. It'd be nice if it was programmable, though. One could program theirs to go off at 3k, 4k, 6.5k, or whatever OCI they decide to run. I know I prefer to do 5k or 10k OCI's on the basis that it's dirt simple to remember when to do it--just look at the odo's 1,000 mile digit. Otherwise I need to write it down and stick it on the windshield.

Counting miles isn't really an OLM though. It's just a dummy distance counter. To me, OLM should encompass some kind of logic, either based on an algorithm or on a physical sensor.
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#4297402 - 01/09/17 07:46 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: B320i]
Bgallagher Offline


Registered: 04/17/12
Posts: 3097
Loc: Boston, MA
Originally Posted By: B320i
With all the reports of carbon buildup and such in the DI engines, I wonder if a lesser, rigid interval could be best?

In regards to OLM technology, I think its hard to perfect. BMW until the mid-late 1990s used an algorithm of cold starts, mileage and engine RPM to determine the OCI. AFAIK, the system they changed to after that, a fuel usage + in-sump "electronic oil sensor" calculate the OCI these days.
My vehicle uses the older of the two. Despite changing from all highway driving to a mix of city and highway driving, the interval has actually gotten minutely longer, if anything (THREAD

I do not know what system GM and other OEs use, but have people noticed it varying the OCI significantly between constant short-tripping vs. highway miles?


1 They probably don't want to bother with the $$ it would take to develop until they have to. H/K also aren't as big as the major OLM users (GM for example.) I would change it based on the manual and set you "service minders."
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#4297409 - 01/09/17 07:52 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Registered: 09/29/09
Posts: 2068
Loc: Deep in the heart of Jersey
I doubt having a olm would convince or persuade anybody to buy that particular brand of car. And if people keep buying them as they are,I guess they don't see a need for one.,,,

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#4297430 - 01/09/17 08:13 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
SHOZ Offline


Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 4978
Loc: Illinois
Hyundai would rather scare you in at 3000 miles for their [censored] dealer service with [censored] dealer oil.
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#4297587 - 01/09/17 10:49 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
HerrStig Offline


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 9551
Loc: Boston, MA
GM and Ford??? Oh yeah!

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#4297649 - 01/09/17 12:04 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 8692
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
My car has an OLM, it's called a trip meter.
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#4297733 - 01/09/17 01:19 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
SeaJay Offline


Registered: 03/05/15
Posts: 667
Loc: New York City
I don't have one in my car, the manufacturer's suggested mileage interval works well for me.

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