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#4294581 - 01/05/17 10:48 PM Leaving the engine run All night long (all night)
veryHeavy Offline


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How many of ye let the engine run, rather than turn it off?

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#4294583 - 01/05/17 10:50 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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#4294589 - 01/05/17 10:56 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Why would someone do that?
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#4294590 - 01/05/17 10:57 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Never, waste of gas, causes unnecessary pollution and wear and tear on the car.
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#4294592 - 01/05/17 10:59 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
Uregina09 Offline


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Your mom said to log off because it's time for bed.

Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
How many of ye let the engine run, rather than turn it off?
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#4294594 - 01/05/17 11:00 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Registered: 12/18/15
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Loc: Texas
I have ran my pickup all night for work on location.

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#4294603 - 01/05/17 11:20 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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What the [censored]?
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#4294605 - 01/05/17 11:24 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: PumpPusher]
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Yep, Halliburton and Schlumberger folks around here have done this for decades ... and years ago the 3k OCI mentality took care of the "un logged" miles ... guess better oils have their backs now ...
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#4294614 - 01/05/17 11:43 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Once to run an inverter as we were without power for 24 hours....the engine filled the mufflers with water so it did make a funny gurgling sound after about 4 hours.
About 1/2 gallon an hour...not the most efficient 750W genny.


Edited by Colt45ws (01/05/17 11:45 PM)
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#4294619 - 01/05/17 11:52 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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You lack the most important info...why?
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#4294621 - 01/05/17 11:55 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
Kuato Offline


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Northern Montana, I know a couple guys that will let their diesel idle all night when they are out in the open at -20C.

I'm a gas engine guy, so never for me - if it's a really cold climate it's 0w30.
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#4294630 - 01/06/17 12:21 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Uregina09]
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Originally Posted By: Uregina09
Your mom said to log off because it's time for bed.

Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
How many of ye let the engine run, rather than turn it off?


u regina eh?

how's the weather out there? you fellas keepin warm?
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#4294631 - 01/06/17 12:36 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Colt45ws]
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Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Once to run an inverter as we were without power for 24 hours....the engine filled the mufflers with water so it did make a funny gurgling sound after about 4 hours.
About 1/2 gallon an hour...not the most efficient 750W genny.


For comparison my 5000 w boat genset uses 1/2 gallon per hour at full load. I have a cheap Coleman 6250 w generator at home that probably burns 2-3 gallons per hour, and is LOUD. I guess that is the difference between a $600 generator and a $8000 generator.

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#4294648 - 01/06/17 02:10 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
carloz Offline


Registered: 01/03/17
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Using synthetic oil and block heater can be handy during cold weather.

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#4294659 - 01/06/17 03:22 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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trolling
No seriously i don't know if you are trolling or if you are serious... i would never leave an engine running all night unless it was -50 degrees outside and i didn't have a block heater on a car, its a massive waste of gas, it creates wear on the engine, it's unnecessary pollution etc etc etc.
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#4294684 - 01/06/17 06:29 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I disagree with those saying it would create additional wear. I think the opposite would be true. Fuel injected engines run pretty lean at idle and will not cause fuel dilution, maybe with the exception of GDI and that's a big maybe, as many here believe. The oil and coolant temps will vary much, much less and the engine components themselves will see very little heat cycles.
Would this outweigh the extra cost in fuel? I don't think so because the vehicle is sitting and doing nothing. However in commercial applications, where the equipment can be operated by different crews/drivers 24/7, with only downtime for maintenance and repair, the engines do last longer with fewer break downs.


Edited by KrisZ (01/06/17 06:30 AM)
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#4294688 - 01/06/17 06:37 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
madRiver Offline


Registered: 07/11/15
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I have with my Civic to keep an 2500 watt inverter running to power my boiler and fridge during power outage.

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#4294693 - 01/06/17 06:47 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
Matagonka Offline


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but why?
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#4294695 - 01/06/17 06:51 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I have talked to those in Alaska running diesels and yes because of -40 or worse. On the fly oil changes on the heavy equipment.
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#4294699 - 01/06/17 06:56 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Heck,keeping it running indefinitely=no startup wear! Engine will last forever laugh
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#4294719 - 01/06/17 07:16 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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If you leave your engine always running you will save wear and tear on the ignition switch, and starter motor. They can be expensive if you ever have to replace them..
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#4294722 - 01/06/17 07:18 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Danno Offline


Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 1655
Loc: Northern Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
trolling
No seriously i don't know if you are trolling or if you are serious... i would never leave an engine running all night unless it was -50 degrees outside and i didn't have a block heater on a car, its a massive waste of gas, it creates wear on the engine, it's unnecessary pollution etc etc etc.


No trolling in his post.

I have seen -40C - without windchill and I don't live in the coldest areas of Canada. At that temp using a block heater may not be enough as the block heater does warm the coolant, but the oil pan is not heated That means a 15W-40 in a diesel will be like molasses. Good luck with starting at that point.

If you run a block heater, oil pan heater, and heated battery blanket, you will probably start, but with heavier duty trucks, you start running out of electrical power on a normal 15 AMP circuit to power all those accessories.

I was at a natural gas trucking conference a couple of years ago. Emterra, a refuse company in Winnipeg Manitoba (known as Winterpeg" in Canada) had launched a new fleet of NG refuse trucks. They could not get enough heat into the engines by plugging them in and had to resort to insulated engine boxes and run 20 AMP service.
They were experiencing up to 50% downtime before they took the extreme measures.

So yes, leaving your truck running to avoid a no start is a reality where it gets really cold.

Edit: Just looked up Emterra, they won't be getting the business after 2017.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-waste-contracts-1.3783784


Edited by Danno (01/06/17 07:27 AM)

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#4294723 - 01/06/17 07:18 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
Bud Offline


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Loc: Texas
Simple answer, no.
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#4294731 - 01/06/17 07:31 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
ShotGun429 Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
Posts: 401
Loc: Dayton,Ohio
My 06 Crown Vic Police Car i bought used last year, must have idled alot during its service life, it has almost 7000 idle hours on it plus 105000 miles with no ill effects, but i dont let idle much any more.

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#4294735 - 01/06/17 07:41 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Loc: Central Iowa
And something that never seems to be mentioned, a fuel fired coolant heater. Yes, they come in both diesel and gasoline varieties. Not cheap, but not terribly expensive either. Webasto and Espar are the two major brands and have been around for a long time. Can be set on a timer and when they start up, they can have an engine, even a larger heavy truck engine, up to 140F in less than an hour even at -50F outside temp after the engine has been shut off for 24 hrs. Uses less than 1/8th of a gallon of fuel from the vehicle tank to do it. And these thing can be plumbed in creative ways to also warm tank fuel (diesel) and the oil pan. So the old argument that "there is no plug in so there is no way to keep the engine warm with a block heater" doesn't fly anymore. For those that actually deal with cold issues frequently and not just academically, we have figured out how to get the job done.

We never seemed to have such a terrible time in the interior of Alaska when I live there for 10 years. Folks actually used the gray matter between their ears that they were given and some common sense which is sorely lacking nowadays.
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#4294738 - 01/06/17 07:49 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: madRiver]
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
I have with my Civic to keep an 2500 watt inverter running to power my boiler and fridge during power outage.


2500W is a nearly 200A load on your alternator...I'm sure it's fine as a peak load.
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#4294759 - 01/06/17 08:18 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Do the truckers leave the engine running when they sleep in their cab on the side of the road?

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#4294768 - 01/06/17 08:31 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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There was a TV show where some guys drove Porsches across Alaska in winter and they did let them idle all night. If I remember right they didn't use use as much fuel as expected. I know a few people who drove home drunk and left there car running in the yard overnight. Still running with the radio on and the door open the next day.
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#4294779 - 01/06/17 08:47 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: RedOakRanch]
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lol- I've seen that!

Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
There was a TV show where some guys drove Porsches across Alaska in winter and they did let them idle all night. If I remember right they didn't use use as much fuel as expected. I know a few people who drove home drunk and left there car running in the yard overnight. Still running with the radio on and the door open the next day.

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#4294789 - 01/06/17 08:58 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I have done work as a security guard and had to set in my truck (toyota tacoma) for 8 to 12 hours per night and left the motor running for 8 hours or so to run the heater.
at the time temps were below freezing
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#4294792 - 01/06/17 08:59 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: ShotGun429]
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Originally Posted By: ShotGun429
My 06 Crown Vic Police Car i bought used last year, must have idled alot during its service life, it has almost 7000 idle hours on it plus 105000 miles with no ill effects, but i dont let idle much any more.


Around here, police cars are required to be idled as long as the car is on duty. Literally as long as they are not filling up on gas, the cars are idling. even when they are inside dealing with an issue. I was told they aren't allowed to turn them off for any reason other than gas while on duty and they have to have a receipt with time stamp to prove it. It sounds like a huge waste of gas to me, but that is their choice, not mine.
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#4294797 - 01/06/17 09:07 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I'm not going outside if its colder than -15F. Stay home stay warm. Some don't have that luxury.

My across the street neighbor, who does short and medium hauls, will leave his rig idling all night if its gonna be below zero. That's a International 9200 cab chassis I think.
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#4294813 - 01/06/17 09:31 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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#4294822 - 01/06/17 09:38 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Nick1994]
veryHeavy Offline


Registered: 11/04/16
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Loc: MN, CA
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Why would someone do that?

There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.

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#4294828 - 01/06/17 09:43 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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i don't know about ye but leaving your engine on all night while you are sleeping is not a good idea at all.. If it gets that cold where you live its really time to move into civilization ..
What happens if you get a leak while you are sleeping or if it overheats.... What about the cats on you car? Fire?
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#4294843 - 01/06/17 10:05 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do the truckers leave the engine running when they sleep in their cab on the side of the road?


Yes, they do. My older brother was a trucker in the 90's and I accompanied him on a few trips in the freezing winter.

We'd sleep in the back of the cab (where the bed was) and leave the engine running all night for the cab heater. It also kept the engine warm so as to prevent start-up issues (in -40C temps, they can make owning a diesel a real headache).

The small amount of fuel used was FAR cheaper than the time and money of a service call to get it running.
For longhaul trucks, time IS money
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#4294849 - 01/06/17 10:15 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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It's a very common thing to do in Alaska. I know a guy that works on an oil rig and they leave things running for months at a time.
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#4294859 - 01/06/17 10:23 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Lolvoguy]
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Loc: Northern Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do the truckers leave the engine running when they sleep in their cab on the side of the road?


Yes, they do. My older brother was a trucker in the 90's and I accompanied him on a few trips in the freezing winter.

We'd sleep in the back of the cab (where the bed was) and leave the engine running all night for the cab heater. It also kept the engine warm so as to prevent start-up issues (in -40C temps, they can make owning a diesel a real headache).

The small amount of fuel used was FAR cheaper than the time and money of a service call to get it running.
For longhaul trucks, time IS money


Agreed, and with the wider scale introduction of APUs, idling has been reduced, in our Class 8 fleet to less than 5% of engine run time.
However, the APU only circulates/warms the engine coolant. The problem becomes the engine oil in the sump is not heated and when you hit -40C, you still need to idle the engine or plug in with an oil pan heater.

Maybe we should take the earlier suggestion and move to civilization - where was that poster from - New Jersey ?

Now that's the ticket......

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#4294863 - 01/06/17 10:26 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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We did it all the time in the expediting of freight,,,gas and diesel,,never hurt the engines, some engines idle for two or three days , just shut off for refueling, but that was the real world of freight,,,home owner types that park at work and so on,,,would never do that, does not even compute in their world....
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#4294869 - 01/06/17 10:30 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Loc: MN
Where I live we do hit -40F often enough, had -38F in a few spots at 6am this morning and temps don't start rising till almost 10am. Never had my diesel not start if I keep the block heater plugged in and I know it'll start at the end of the work day today at -10 without being plugged in. Modern synthetics don't get that thick in the cold and has never been an issue with anything I've driven. Fuel isn't even an issue as long as it's properly treated and doesn't gel up.

I can see remote equipment being kept running but the fuel oil coolant heaters are used by most of the loggers around here and they rarely have any issues with the equipment starting when the coolant temp never drops below 140, kinda nice getting out of the truck and having heat in the cab of the skidder as soon as they turn the key.

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#4294895 - 01/06/17 11:10 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do the truckers leave the engine running when they sleep in their cab on the side of the road?

yes, and nothing to do with cold.
some just leave it for the truck to have power for the all around lights (visibility): better be seen + some fuel then the headache they may have from a getting hit accident...
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#4294896 - 01/06/17 11:11 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: mazdamonky]
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Originally Posted By: mazdamonky
Originally Posted By: ShotGun429
My 06 Crown Vic Police Car i bought used last year, must have idled alot during its service life, it has almost 7000 idle hours on it plus 105000 miles with no ill effects, but i dont let idle much any more.


Around here, police cars are required to be idled as long as the car is on duty. Literally as long as they are not filling up on gas, the cars are idling. even when they are inside dealing with an issue. I was told they aren't allowed to turn them off for any reason other than gas while on duty and they have to have a receipt with time stamp to prove it. It sounds like a huge waste of gas to me, but that is their choice, not mine.


why: Police tech/computer equipment. it takes some time for it to boot/setup.....
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#4294899 - 01/06/17 11:12 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Why would someone do that?

There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.
There sure are a lot of people with mental disorders.
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#4294902 - 01/06/17 11:18 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Virtus_Probi]
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: madRiver
I have with my Civic to keep an 2500 watt inverter running to power my boiler and fridge during power outage.


2500W is a nearly 200A load on your alternator...I'm sure it's fine as a peak load.


There is a battery between the alternator and inverter which is why I left car running. My father law has been doing this for years with his ford trucks and now Nissan. He hooked it all up when we lost power not only in street but broke my lines meaning I was a week out. I left Civic running for days it had no ill effects. Better then freezing like the rest of saps.

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#4294903 - 01/06/17 11:19 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: bioburner]
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Originally Posted By: bioburner
I have talked to those in Alaska running diesels and yes because of -40 or worse. On the fly oil changes on the heavy equipment.


Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Why would someone do that?

There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.

Originally Posted By: Blkstanger
It's a very common thing to do in Alaska. I know a guy that works on an oil rig and they leave things running for months at a time.



It's not 1962 anymore. This doesn't happen as much as you think ESPECIALLY on the North Slope where oil workers are scrutinized and fined for oil dripping on to the ground and any potential pollution violations. But how would I know?

We use block heaters and don't let them run all night unless it's being used. If you do, you're just an idiot.

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#4294954 - 01/06/17 12:08 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I can see the purpose of people doing it in the extreme cold with Big rigs and trucks that run 15W-40 oils that would turn to molasses at very low temps, i'm from Finland and i know some truckers do that when they have to spend the night in Lapland where it can get to -40C in a winter night.
But in a passenger car or truck with a gasoline engine, running a 0W-XX synthetic oil i would not ever leave the engine running all night long.
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#4294959 - 01/06/17 12:13 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
How many of ye let the engine run, rather than turn it off?


Only when I'm playing GTA
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#4295003 - 01/06/17 01:15 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I've never done it, and the reasons for doing so would be exceedingly rare. If it were -45 C or something, and no chance of plugging in, and it would be like that for many days on end, or if I were sleeping in the vehicle, or something.
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#4295005 - 01/06/17 01:18 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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maybe 5 minutes max. However when I worked in the oil fields in northern Alaska our equipment was never shut off
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#4295037 - 01/06/17 02:06 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: cmhj]
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Originally Posted By: cmhj
maybe 5 minutes max. However when I worked in the oil fields in northern Alaska our equipment was never shut off


When was this? Heavy equipment is one thing but vehicles get plugged in unless being used.
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#4295178 - 01/06/17 05:41 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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A co-worker in the 80s used to let his VW Jetta diesel idle all night in the winter. He lived in a rural area where theft was not too much of an issue, and said the engine used almost no fuel at all at idle. Not for me, but then I've never owned a diesel.

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#4295268 - 01/06/17 07:36 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Number_35]
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Originally Posted By: Number_35
A co-worker in the 80s used to let his VW Jetta diesel idle all night in the winter. He lived in a rural area where theft was not too much of an issue, and said the engine used almost no fuel at all at idle. Not for me, but then I've never owned a diesel.

Sounds like we may have known the guy
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#4295274 - 01/06/17 07:42 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do the truckers leave the engine running when they sleep in their cab on the side of the road?


Frequently, unless they have an APU.
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#4295390 - 01/06/17 10:11 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I ran my old '85 C20 Suburban several times over night in hot-humid 90 degree weather with the front & rear air blowing max.
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#4295620 - 01/07/17 10:21 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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If one pays 20k plus for a ride,,,I would hope that the manufacturer made a decent engine, cooling system to go with it,,,u think......the days of horse and buggies, lot less pressure....lol
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#4295626 - 01/07/17 10:26 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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If I did this in the cold with my Accent the coolant would not get over 150F idling I bet if below 0F.
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#4295715 - 01/07/17 11:40 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: jayg]
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Originally Posted By: jayg
We use block heaters and don't let them run all night unless it's being used. If you do, you're just an idiot.

Good to know.
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#4295767 - 01/07/17 12:29 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Hello,

I feel like its my destiny to inform you that keeping your engine running with the night is truly a waste of resources. But it seems like the idea may be stuck on you.

If you are a penny lover and you have endless love for the environment, you would turn off your engine at night.

Don't do it to me or the other citizens.
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#4295807 - 01/07/17 01:22 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Number_35]
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Originally Posted By: Number_35
A co-worker in the 80s used to let his VW Jetta diesel idle all night in the winter. He lived in a rural area where theft was not too much of an issue, and said the engine used almost no fuel at all at idle. Not for me, but then I've never owned a diesel.


I had a teacher in HS who said his dad had a MB diesel in the 60's. He'd work the graveyard shift at the local steel mill and when he'd get to work at night (about 11PM) in the middle of winter, he'd take the keys out of the ignition, lock the door and leave it running all night until the next morning when he was driving home. His car was toasty warm and he hardly used any fuel in the process (diesel was also far cheaper than gas in those days).
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#4295861 - 01/07/17 02:22 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Number_35]
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Originally Posted By: Number_35
A co-worker in the 80s used to let his VW Jetta diesel idle all night in the winter. He lived in a rural area where theft was not too much of an issue, and said the engine used almost no fuel at all at idle. Not for me, but then I've never owned a diesel.


Mine uses under a quart per hour in winter, and close to a pint in summer. The oil temps are lower in winter, which is where the extra fuel is going, I suppose.
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#4295868 - 01/07/17 02:38 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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this is not "trolling" whatever that means! or a joke!

my friend, just retired. drives a semi trailer from the scrap yard to another place a few miles away to deliver the metal. sometimes during the day, they fill his truck with scrap. he then drives to the other place, where they unload it.

he runs his engine all day long. we live in Mass. i THINK he did it in summer, too. waste???

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#4295894 - 01/07/17 03:12 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Do you keep block heaters on all night or put it on the timer to come it on few hours before?

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#4295907 - 01/07/17 03:40 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Good to know.
Thank you.
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Wait. When you said:

Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.


You mean you didn't really know that? You just made it up?

Post that pic of your Challenger yet?
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#4295922 - 01/07/17 03:56 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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It use to be common to leave the diesel trucks idling 24/7. But a couple years ago UPS set a new policy of if you aren't in the drivers seat the engine should be switched off. May even have a switch on the seat like a lawn mower.

With the pickup coal rollers the Cummins engine guys like to leave their engines running because they are so clanky I guess.

I heard that the auto start/stop will be a standard feature on cars soon.
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#4295949 - 01/07/17 04:35 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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auto start/stop is a standard feature on many cars already.
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#4295950 - 01/07/17 04:35 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Jetronic]
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#4296461 - 01/08/17 04:12 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: kschachn]
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.

You mean you didn't really know that? You just made it up? Post that pic of your Challenger yet?

I guess you don't watch Ice Road Truckers.
They leave their cars running.
In the past I have had Alaskans/Canadians tell me they run their cars all night.

And I have no clue how to upload a photo to this site, and frankly I'm not wasting an hour of my life trying to figure it out unless you PAY me to do it. I don't work for my boss for free, and same goes for you. (I had another word typed here, but the forum censors the word [censored]... a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments.)


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#4296467 - 01/08/17 04:32 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do you keep block heaters on all night or put it on the timer to come it on few hours before?

I leave mine plugged in all night, simply to have less heat cool cycles.
I get home, plug it in and the engine cools to the equilibrium point (90-110F depending on ambient)

It would take about 4-5 hours to warm from dead cold if you did want to put it on a timer. Would save about 4 kwh to do that (400w * 10 hours).

In total Im using 5.6ish kwh per night. I usually use it about 6 days a week and so this is about 135kwh a month. For me, this is only $6.08 in electric bill.


Edited by Colt45ws (01/08/17 04:35 AM)
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#4296499 - 01/08/17 07:03 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.

You mean you didn't really know that? You just made it up? Post that pic of your Challenger yet?

I guess you don't watch Ice Road Truckers.
They leave their cars running.
In the past I have had Alaskans/Canadians tell me they run their cars all night.

And I have no clue how to upload a photo to this site, and frankly I'm not wasting an hour of my life trying to figure it out unless you PAY me to do it. I don't work for my boss for free, and same goes for you. (I had another word typed here, but the forum censors the word [censored]... a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments.)



So how about backing up your claim that Civic CNG "needs a different CNG-only oil, that is quite expensive, because normal oil doesn't work?" If you are going to state "facts" be prepared to back them up regardless of whether you feel you should get paid for your time. Otherwise just admit you were wrong and not purposely spreading misinformation.
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#4296566 - 01/08/17 09:01 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.

You mean you didn't really know that? You just made it up? Post that pic of your Challenger yet?

I guess you don't watch Ice Road Truckers.
They leave their cars running.
In the past I have had Alaskans/Canadians tell me they run their cars all night.

And I have no clue how to upload a photo to this site, and frankly I'm not wasting an hour of my life trying to figure it out unless you PAY me to do it. I don't work for my boss for free, and same goes for you. (I had another word typed here, but the forum censors the word [censored]... a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments.)



Yeah, there is TV shows about living up in the frozen north, and then there is those of us that have actually done it for more than just a season and not in front of cameras. Kinda like there are movies about war and then those that actually remember the true smell of it. I lived 10 years just South of Fairbanks in Delta Junction (the location for the U.S. Army Cold Region Test Center) where I worked as a civilian employee for them. Drove heavy trucks up there for most of those years to many locations in Alaska. No... never left vehicles, small or large, running all night. And it was not uncommon to have mornings where temps were below -50F. Used a healthy dose of common sense in setting up vehicles right for the cold they would endure. Some used plug in setups, some used fuel fired heaters that kept things warmed. Some a combination of the two. Some on timers. When I went home each day, first thing after pulling in drive and shutting off, things got plugged up.... block heater, oil pan warmer, battery blanket. That '79 Bronco with a 351M V8 did just fine for most of those years, and primarily on conventional oil. Only a interior heater fan took a dump on that ride. The plastic parts of the interior did look like they had been beat up with a sledge hammer after several years of that frigid cold. Hind sight is always 20/20. Should have used some sort of interior heater on the poor thing when it was shut off.
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#4296682 - 01/08/17 10:51 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
And I have no clue how to upload a photo to this site, and frankly I'm not wasting an hour of my life trying to figure it out unless you PAY me to do it. I don't work for my boss for free, and same goes for you. (I had another word typed here, but the forum censors the word [censored]... a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments.)


You seem to have figured it out OK in other threads, like the one with the Amsoil filter efficiency chart. Can you go back there an comment on my question?
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#4296717 - 01/08/17 11:33 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do you keep block heaters on all night or put it on the timer to come it on few hours before?


I have a 250w oil pan heater, its plugged in all the time when the cars parked. When I had a car with a coolant heater it was plugged in all the time the car was parked as well, there was always a noticeable difference starting a car that only had 3 hours of plug in time vs all night (was always told 3 hours is all you need)

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#4297149 - 01/08/17 08:32 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I presume all the block heaters have thermostat to control the temperature and turn themselves off if not needed?

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#4297735 - 01/09/17 01:21 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Kuato]
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
Northern Montana, I know a couple guys that will let their diesel idle all night when they are out in the open at -20C.



That is the reason for doing so. At 20 or more below, diesels can be difficult to start after an entire evening turned off.

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#4308277 - 01/20/17 05:29 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Years ago, I worked at large airports. It was not uncommon for them to leave the luggage tugs running overnight.
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#4308304 - 01/20/17 06:09 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: CBR.worm]
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I parked my car at an off-airport lot a couple years ago. Noticed a Jeep running at 6AM when I got in the shuttle bus to take me to the airport. Wasn't in a rush and was the only one on the bus so I told the driver we could wait for Jeep's occupant(s). He laughed and said that driver forgot to turn off the Jeep and it has been running for 4 days now. The workers were starting to take bets on when it would run out of gas and stop.
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#4308310 - 01/20/17 06:15 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: SeaJay]
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Originally Posted By: SeaJay
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Northern Montana, I know a couple guys that will let their diesel idle all night when they are out in the open at -20C.



That is the reason for doing so. At 20 or more below, diesels can be difficult to start after an entire evening turned off.


Especially if they are too tight to actually do things right, like put on a Wesbasto or Espar diesel fired coolant heater. Uses about 1/8th gallon per hour. Set on the timer to fire up 1 hr before needing to start the truck, can have a 13-15L diesel engine up to 140F in about an hour. Let's see... a coolant heater that will last for many years for about $850. Idling all night, 100 nights a year, using about 1.5 gallons of fuel an hour on a heavy diesel, at $2.50 a gallon... $3750 a year minimum. Some folks just love to throw money away.

And Webasto and Espar make units for small to large diesels and gasoline engines also. Better than a block heater and no need to find a plug in.
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#4308390 - 01/20/17 08:26 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: 4WD]
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Yep, Halliburton and Schlumberger folks around here have done this for decades ... and years ago the 3k OCI mentality took care of the "un logged" miles ... guess better oils have their backs now ...

Schlumberger? I remember the name from IC automated test equipment. I never quite understood how it fit into their primary business in oil exploration.

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#4308470 - 01/20/17 10:33 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: AirgunSavant]
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A friend of my did it with his bosses range rover. Parked it in the middle of his front yard opend the door fell out and passed out on the grass. The mother in law beat him like a step child. When she saw it in the morning.

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#4309314 - 01/22/17 06:30 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy

I guess you don't watch Ice Road Truckers.
They leave their cars running.
In the past I have had Alaskans/Canadians tell me they run their cars all night.

Well then, it's on the idiot box reality show, so it must be true. Glad you pointed that out to everyone.

Originally Posted By: veryHeavy

And I have no clue how to upload a photo to this site


Now that's a bit odd, since you managed to figure out how to upload photos in other posts. But I'll enlighten you-there is a button that looks like this:


When you press the button, a dialogue box will open with three buttons: Choose File, Add File and Done. Press Choose File and browse to the picture and selected it. The press Add File to add it to your post. Then press Done, and like magic the picture of your Challenger will appear in your post.

Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
I'm not wasting an hour of my life trying to figure it out



My sincere apologies. It wouldn't take anyone of normal intelligence an hour to figure it out, so I don't think anyone here knew of your cognitive impairment. It must be fairly significant if it would cause an hour's worth of time trying to figure out something as simple as adding a picture (which you've already done). I hope you find the information above helpful, and we're all waiting to see pictures of that Challenger of yours. I'd like to see the engine bay, and if you'd kindly put the key on the engine in the photo, we'll know it's not something you scraped off the internet somewhere.

I might add that sitting around watching reality television (like you pointed out that you do) doesn't do anything to improve your cognitive function.

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#4319367 - 02/02/17 03:12 PM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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#4319788 - 02/03/17 07:23 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: ShotGun429]
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Originally Posted By: ShotGun429
My 06 Crown Vic Police Car i bought used last year, must have idled alot during its service life, it has almost 7000 idle hours on it plus 105000 miles with no ill effects, but i dont let idle much any more.


I was about to say, a police car in service would strike me as a prime candidate for running all night long, I am confident it moves sometime when they nail the speeder. Then back to idling. Especially if it is a cold night.

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