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#4294792 - 01/06/17 08:59 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: ShotGun429]
mazdamonky Offline


Registered: 12/08/15
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Loc: Arkansas
Originally Posted By: ShotGun429
My 06 Crown Vic Police Car i bought used last year, must have idled alot during its service life, it has almost 7000 idle hours on it plus 105000 miles with no ill effects, but i dont let idle much any more.


Around here, police cars are required to be idled as long as the car is on duty. Literally as long as they are not filling up on gas, the cars are idling. even when they are inside dealing with an issue. I was told they aren't allowed to turn them off for any reason other than gas while on duty and they have to have a receipt with time stamp to prove it. It sounds like a huge waste of gas to me, but that is their choice, not mine.
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#4294797 - 01/06/17 09:07 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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I'm not going outside if its colder than -15F. Stay home stay warm. Some don't have that luxury.

My across the street neighbor, who does short and medium hauls, will leave his rig idling all night if its gonna be below zero. That's a International 9200 cab chassis I think.
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#4294813 - 01/06/17 09:31 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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#4294822 - 01/06/17 09:38 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 11/04/16
Posts: 479
Loc: MN, CA
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Why would someone do that?

There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.

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#4294828 - 01/06/17 09:43 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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i don't know about ye but leaving your engine on all night while you are sleeping is not a good idea at all.. If it gets that cold where you live its really time to move into civilization ..
What happens if you get a leak while you are sleeping or if it overheats.... What about the cats on you car? Fire?
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#4294843 - 01/06/17 10:05 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Vikas]
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do the truckers leave the engine running when they sleep in their cab on the side of the road?


Yes, they do. My older brother was a trucker in the 90's and I accompanied him on a few trips in the freezing winter.

We'd sleep in the back of the cab (where the bed was) and leave the engine running all night for the cab heater. It also kept the engine warm so as to prevent start-up issues (in -40C temps, they can make owning a diesel a real headache).

The small amount of fuel used was FAR cheaper than the time and money of a service call to get it running.
For longhaul trucks, time IS money
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#4294849 - 01/06/17 10:15 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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It's a very common thing to do in Alaska. I know a guy that works on an oil rig and they leave things running for months at a time.
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#4294859 - 01/06/17 10:23 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Lolvoguy]
Danno Offline


Registered: 10/07/12
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Loc: Northern Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do the truckers leave the engine running when they sleep in their cab on the side of the road?


Yes, they do. My older brother was a trucker in the 90's and I accompanied him on a few trips in the freezing winter.

We'd sleep in the back of the cab (where the bed was) and leave the engine running all night for the cab heater. It also kept the engine warm so as to prevent start-up issues (in -40C temps, they can make owning a diesel a real headache).

The small amount of fuel used was FAR cheaper than the time and money of a service call to get it running.
For longhaul trucks, time IS money


Agreed, and with the wider scale introduction of APUs, idling has been reduced, in our Class 8 fleet to less than 5% of engine run time.
However, the APU only circulates/warms the engine coolant. The problem becomes the engine oil in the sump is not heated and when you hit -40C, you still need to idle the engine or plug in with an oil pan heater.

Maybe we should take the earlier suggestion and move to civilization - where was that poster from - New Jersey ?

Now that's the ticket......

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#4294863 - 01/06/17 10:26 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Registered: 12/27/09
Posts: 4818
Loc: Tn.
We did it all the time in the expediting of freight,,,gas and diesel,,never hurt the engines, some engines idle for two or three days , just shut off for refueling, but that was the real world of freight,,,home owner types that park at work and so on,,,would never do that, does not even compute in their world....
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#4294869 - 01/06/17 10:30 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Registered: 04/30/14
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Loc: MN
Where I live we do hit -40F often enough, had -38F in a few spots at 6am this morning and temps don't start rising till almost 10am. Never had my diesel not start if I keep the block heater plugged in and I know it'll start at the end of the work day today at -10 without being plugged in. Modern synthetics don't get that thick in the cold and has never been an issue with anything I've driven. Fuel isn't even an issue as long as it's properly treated and doesn't gel up.

I can see remote equipment being kept running but the fuel oil coolant heaters are used by most of the loggers around here and they rarely have any issues with the equipment starting when the coolant temp never drops below 140, kinda nice getting out of the truck and having heat in the cab of the skidder as soon as they turn the key.

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#4294895 - 01/06/17 11:10 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Vikas]
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Registered: 08/12/11
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Loc: Chicago,IL,USA
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Do the truckers leave the engine running when they sleep in their cab on the side of the road?

yes, and nothing to do with cold.
some just leave it for the truck to have power for the all around lights (visibility): better be seen + some fuel then the headache they may have from a getting hit accident...
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#4294896 - 01/06/17 11:11 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: mazdamonky]
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Originally Posted By: mazdamonky
Originally Posted By: ShotGun429
My 06 Crown Vic Police Car i bought used last year, must have idled alot during its service life, it has almost 7000 idle hours on it plus 105000 miles with no ill effects, but i dont let idle much any more.


Around here, police cars are required to be idled as long as the car is on duty. Literally as long as they are not filling up on gas, the cars are idling. even when they are inside dealing with an issue. I was told they aren't allowed to turn them off for any reason other than gas while on duty and they have to have a receipt with time stamp to prove it. It sounds like a huge waste of gas to me, but that is their choice, not mine.


why: Police tech/computer equipment. it takes some time for it to boot/setup.....
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#4294899 - 01/06/17 11:12 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: veryHeavy]
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Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 9804
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Why would someone do that?

There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.
There sure are a lot of people with mental disorders.
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#4294902 - 01/06/17 11:18 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: Virtus_Probi]
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Registered: 07/11/15
Posts: 3294
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: madRiver
I have with my Civic to keep an 2500 watt inverter running to power my boiler and fridge during power outage.


2500W is a nearly 200A load on your alternator...I'm sure it's fine as a peak load.


There is a battery between the alternator and inverter which is why I left car running. My father law has been doing this for years with his ford trucks and now Nissan. He hooked it all up when we lost power not only in street but broke my lines meaning I was a week out. I left Civic running for days it had no ill effects. Better then freezing like the rest of saps.

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#4294903 - 01/06/17 11:19 AM Re: Leaving the engine run All night long (all night) [Re: bioburner]
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Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 1137
Loc: Talkeetna, AK
Originally Posted By: bioburner
I have talked to those in Alaska running diesels and yes because of -40 or worse. On the fly oil changes on the heavy equipment.


Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Why would someone do that?

There are people in Alaska and Canada's deep north who do it all the time.

Originally Posted By: Blkstanger
It's a very common thing to do in Alaska. I know a guy that works on an oil rig and they leave things running for months at a time.



It's not 1962 anymore. This doesn't happen as much as you think ESPECIALLY on the North Slope where oil workers are scrutinized and fined for oil dripping on to the ground and any potential pollution violations. But how would I know?

We use block heaters and don't let them run all night unless it's being used. If you do, you're just an idiot.

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