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#4293862 - 01/05/17 08:47 AM '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run)
Lethal1ty17 Offline


Registered: 07/01/10
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4th report for my 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe V6 3.8 Track Edition at 147,632 miles (now at 151k...long Christmas road trip). Other reports were with all 5w20's and OEM filter (in order) Pennzoil Ultra Platinum (11k run), Edge EP (8.3k run), and standard Mobil 1 (6.6k run). My vehicle has an aftermarket AEM cold air intake with a dryflow filter and a water resistant wrap (acts as a pre-filter), and an ECU tune. Vehicle sees mostly highway usage along with a WOT pull to 6,000rpm every time it is fully warmed up. On average I do a few hundred miles per month on the Texas toll roads cruising around 100mph (moderate-high load at moderate-high speed).

Frequently use MMO in the fuel, although not consistently with every tank, it is run in at least half of them at the recommended dosage of 4oz/10gal. Also used the Gumout PEA-based DI cleaner in the intake to clean the valves on this oil run, and one of their PEA based injector cleaners. None of these cleaners seem to have any effect on, or presence in the report. I drive on average 600 miles of highway a week for work, and just got back from a 3,500 mile road trip for Christmas using Mobil 1 EP which I will have a report for in a few months. Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.

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#4293886 - 01/05/17 09:10 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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My experience is once you've gone the Ti pack you stay the Ti pack. You cant go back without the engine sounding like it will implode.
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#4293905 - 01/05/17 09:25 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Great results - those highway miles aren't hurting it. What kind of RPM are you turning on your 100mph cruising?
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#4293906 - 01/05/17 09:26 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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I don't know why they suggest going to 11K miles next time.
To me 9K was the sweet spot and mileage doesn't go backwards in time.
Thanks for sharing.

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#4293920 - 01/05/17 09:39 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: AirgunSavant]
Lethal1ty17 Offline


Registered: 07/01/10
Posts: 758
Loc: TX
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My experience is once you've gone the Ti pack you stay the Ti pack. You cant go back without the engine sounding like it will implode.
Although Edge is my preferred oil and I *feel* it runs smoothest and best in my engine, I have no noticed really any sound difference with the M1 EP without Ti.

Originally Posted By: bigt61
Great results - those highway miles aren't hurting it. What kind of RPM are you turning on your 100mph cruising?
About 3,750rpm.

Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
I don't know why they suggest going to 11K miles next time.
To me 9K was the sweet spot and mileage doesn't go backwards in time.
Thanks for sharing.
I'm going to try 10k on this current run of M1 EP to determine if that's going to be my oil of choice or Edge EP. The 11k was the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, and I just don't think it is formulated as well for this engine. Then again, I did get bored and drive at like 5,000rpm for a while one day on that sample...


Edited by Lethal1ty17 (01/05/17 09:40 AM)

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#4293974 - 01/05/17 10:26 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
Lethal1ty17 Offline


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Woops...I posted in the general questions page and not the UOA...message sent to moderator. [censored].

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#4294008 - 01/05/17 11:03 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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ARCO and his apocalyptic tirades....it wouldn't be BITOG without them.
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#4294090 - 01/05/17 12:36 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: ARCOgraphite]
Ohle_Manezzini Offline


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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My experience is once you've gone the Ti pack you stay the Ti pack. You cant go back without the engine sounding like it will implode.


All of That, because of 20 to 50 ppm of Ti? Really?

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#4294165 - 01/05/17 01:52 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Ohle_Manezzini]
MarcS Offline


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Originally Posted By: Ohle_Manezzini
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My experience is once you've gone the Ti pack you stay the Ti pack. You cant go back without the engine sounding like it will implode.


All of That, because of 20 to 50 ppm of Ti? Really?


I think it's safe to assume the titanium-based additive package that contains the Ti picked up on analysis is more than 20-50ppm by volume and that castrol doesn't just add 20-50PPM of titanium shavings and call it a day.


Edited by MarcS (01/05/17 01:56 PM)

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#4294278 - 01/05/17 03:55 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
car51 Offline


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Don't listen to ArcoGraphite as he's managed to blow a few engines in his era.

Nothing wrong with M1 EP oils as I have 8quarts of m1 0w20EP courtesy of Autozone blowout $2/quart
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#4294285 - 01/05/17 04:08 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Got a couple jugs of the Edge HM 5W-30 lined up to go into my Lexus soon. Just going to run it 5,000 miles. Pretty sure I should be OK with that many miles. Don't want to chance it going over 5,000 without an oil analysis. Eventually, I will send a sample off for analysis, but don't want to do it on the first run of Edge HM. Just hoping it looks as good as your analysis.

Thanks for your contributions. thumbsup
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#4294286 - 01/05/17 04:11 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
oil_film_movies Offline


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My observations:

When you change oil, you leave a lot of old oil in the sump, as evidenced by Titanium showing up on your past 11k Ultra run (1/3 of your last oil change was still in there).

Use a Fram Ultra and maybe the insolubles will go down to 0.1

Castrol Edge seems to be the best oil so far here, as Pennzoil Ultra got a little thick (oxidation).

Titanium works synergistically, so no worries with Ti mixed in with other oils, despite ArcoGraphite tweeting recklessly like he was a pres-elect here....

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#4294296 - 01/05/17 04:22 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Registered: 06/25/15
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Loc: New England
Am I reading right that you got 791 Ca with your first run of 5W20 Edge EP and now 1722 with your second run of that oil?
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#4294298 - 01/05/17 04:26 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Virtus_Probi]
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Registered: 06/13/16
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Am I reading right that you got 791 Ca with your first run of 5W20 Edge EP and now 1722 with your second run of that oil?


They've been changing their formulations in that amount of time. Its right. Castrol is changing.
Wondering if they will go back to their old magnesium-dominant detergent package now that LSPI is a thing with dexos and the coming GF-6. Heard calcium can hurt LSPI performance.


Edited by oil_film_movies (01/05/17 04:28 PM)

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#4294324 - 01/05/17 05:02 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: oil_film_movies]
Virtus_Probi Offline


Registered: 06/25/15
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Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Am I reading right that you got 791 Ca with your first run of 5W20 Edge EP and now 1722 with your second run of that oil?


They've been changing their formulations in that amount of time. Its right. Castrol is changing.
Wondering if they will go back to their old magnesium-dominant detergent package now that LSPI is a thing with dexos and the coming GF-6. Heard calcium can hurt LSPI performance.


That is exactly why I look carefully at the Ca numbers! My car was recalled for LSPI.
I did notice that the Castrol Edge 5W30 in the PQIA's roundup of synths in 2013 showed very low Ca, but also heard that it was reformulated with more at a later date...guess your results confirm that! AFAIK, most of the Mobil 1 line is still low calcium (believe the 0W40 is not).
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#4294332 - 01/05/17 05:17 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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They dropped the calcium in M1 0w40 but it still has more than most.
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#4294335 - 01/05/17 05:20 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
oil_film_movies Offline


Registered: 06/13/16
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Loc: MN
As long as all the new oils pass the Jan 2017 dexos1 LSPI spec. Said oils should hit the shelf in a few months after current stock is depleted. Maybe that will fix all LSPI DI woes.

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#4294343 - 01/05/17 05:32 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
zeng Offline


Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 1795
Loc: Malaysia
Concur with BStone recommending 11K OCI with Edge EP.

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#4294575 - 01/05/17 10:37 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: oil_film_movies]
Lethal1ty17 Offline


Registered: 07/01/10
Posts: 758
Loc: TX
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
My observations:

When you change oil, you leave a lot of old oil in the sump, as evidenced by Titanium showing up on your past 11k Ultra run (1/3 of your last oil change was still in there).

Use a Fram Ultra and maybe the insolubles will go down to 0.1

Castrol Edge seems to be the best oil so far here, as Pennzoil Ultra got a little thick (oxidation).

Titanium works synergistically, so no worries with Ti mixed in with other oils, despite ArcoGraphite tweeting recklessly like he was a pres-elect here....


There's only about 1/2-3/4qt maximum left in the engine when I drain it. I even measured the amount that drained out. Also, there is a TSB about using non-OEM oil filters with the Hyundai engines because it can cause some minor issues, so I've been sticking to the OEM one. With insolubles at 0.3% it's splitting hairs. Though, if they finally release a Purolator Boss for it, I might go for it. In the spirit of keeping all things the same and testing only the oil, I stuck with OEM as well. Plus, the guys on the Genesis forums have been adamant about 3-5k oil changes and claiming the OEM filter isn't very good, so I did this as well. Already have 3,500 miles on my next oil fill in the past 2 1/2 weeks due to a road trip, and at 600 ish miles a week, it won't be too long before I have the next results.

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#4294585 - 01/05/17 10:52 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
oil_film_movies Offline


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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
My observations:

When you change oil, you leave a lot of old oil in the sump, as evidenced by Titanium showing up on your past 11k Ultra run (1/3 of your last oil change was still in there).


There's only about 1/2-3/4qt maximum left in the engine when I drain it. I even measured the amount that drained out.


Wow that's weird because so much titanium showed up in your Pennz Ultra oil you would think it had to come from the old Castrol Edge oil.
...Unless, and this must be the only explanation, the titanium stuck to the surface of the internal engine metal when you drained the Castrol Edge. This way the titanium would actually show up on the Ultra analysis.

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#4294663 - 01/06/17 04:00 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Loc: CA
Very interesting set of UOAs!

What stands out for me are the Viscosity, TBN and how they relate to your time and mileage.

Firstly, M1 thinned much more and with less mileage. Blackstone probably said wear and TBN would allow you to run it longer, but it was probably better that you didn't go much below a TBN of 2.5.

Secondly, the magnesium Edge EP held its viscosity well. Though the TBN was high, remember that magnesium oils return higher TBN numbers so again, I wouldn't look at running that oil all the way down to a TBN of 1.

The Ultra then proves why you should not base oil intervals on Blackstone's TBN of 1 is OK. That oil thickened up quite a bit because it starts around 8.3cst and probably thinned first. 11000 miles was way too far even though the TBN was 1.9.

Your newest Edge EP uoa shows only modest thinning but your TBN of 2 is at a point where other, more knowledgeable industry experts would recommend a change.

Since you've described a more robust style of driving, and taking all the UOAs into account, I think the 9000 mile oci with an EP oil, probably Edge, is a prudent maximum.
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#4294804 - 01/06/17 09:18 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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I meant to change the Pennzoil at 10k miles, but stuff came up. Here are the other 3 UOA's in order from first to last.




Edited by Lethal1ty17 (01/06/17 09:18 AM)

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#4295013 - 01/06/17 01:24 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Phishin]
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Originally Posted By: Phishin
ARCO and his apocalyptic tirades....

I think we have an early favorite for phrase of the year. wink
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#4295029 - 01/06/17 01:56 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Registered: 04/28/08
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.


Well, you aren't really going to be able to do that via PPM comparisons with UOA's. Each oil will have a different "signature" and the results between each are no comparable. The idea is to trend a specific lubricant and watch for anomalies which may indicate potential issues.
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#4295546 - 01/07/17 08:21 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: MarcS]
Ohle_Manezzini Offline


Registered: 07/05/16
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Originally Posted By: MarcS
Originally Posted By: Ohle_Manezzini
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My experience is once you've gone the Ti pack you stay the Ti pack. You cant go back without the engine sounding like it will implode.


All of That, because of 20 to 50 ppm of Ti? Really?


I think it's safe to assume the titanium-based additive package that contains the Ti picked up on analysis is more than 20-50ppm by volume and that castrol doesn't just add 20-50PPM of titanium shavings and call it a day.


Well I was being optimist there, the analyses gave 15 to 34 ppm of Ti.

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#4296233 - 01/07/17 08:54 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: OVERKILL]
Lethal1ty17 Offline


Registered: 07/01/10
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.


Well, you aren't really going to be able to do that via PPM comparisons with UOA's. Each oil will have a different "signature" and the results between each are no comparable. The idea is to trend a specific lubricant and watch for anomalies which may indicate potential issues.


It can tell me if one oil is giving me lower iron wear numbers which generally increases in a linear fashion, or tell me which oil is standing up better in my 3.8 better at 10k miles.

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#4296254 - 01/07/17 09:09 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.


Well, you aren't really going to be able to do that via PPM comparisons with UOA's. Each oil will have a different "signature" and the results between each are no comparable. The idea is to trend a specific lubricant and watch for anomalies which may indicate potential issues.


It can tell me if one oil is giving me lower iron wear numbers which generally increases in a linear fashion, or tell me which oil is standing up better in my 3.8 better at 10k miles.


Not really. Since a UOA only samples a very narrow range of particle sizes, a few PPM difference between oils doesn't amount to anything statistically significant and each oil will have its own "signature" that does not directly correlate to how it is "wearing". Ergo, trying to compare different oils in this manner is an exercise in futility. You are better served tracking TBN retention, fuel dilution and the like, as that's truly the purpose of the tool in addition to of course spotting problems through irregularities in a trend.

Doug covers it all quite well in this article:

Doug Hillary article on UOA's and their use
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#4296873 - 01/08/17 02:16 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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...or you can split the difference and go to a Genesis enthusiast site that will hopefully have intelligent people who've done work along those lines and generated a consensus on what oils seem to work "better" than others. If you're looking for suggestions versus empirical testing done by yourself over a period of a year or two then this might be the better option...if you haven't already done so.

My take is I'd always go to an enthusiast site for your vehicle first and then come here if it doesn't have the support / info / intelligence / experience level you're looking for...I've found that if there's a good community site you can usually skip the more general pontification and get to the answer you want. Not always...but a lot of the time.

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#4297157 - 01/08/17 08:40 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Vuflanovsky]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.


Well, you aren't really going to be able to do that via PPM comparisons with UOA's. Each oil will have a different "signature" and the results between each are no comparable. The idea is to trend a specific lubricant and watch for anomalies which may indicate potential issues.


It can tell me if one oil is giving me lower iron wear numbers which generally increases in a linear fashion, or tell me which oil is standing up better in my 3.8 better at 10k miles.


Not really. Since a UOA only samples a very narrow range of particle sizes, a few PPM difference between oils doesn't amount to anything statistically significant and each oil will have its own "signature" that does not directly correlate to how it is "wearing". Ergo, trying to compare different oils in this manner is an exercise in futility. You are better served tracking TBN retention, fuel dilution and the like, as that's truly the purpose of the tool in addition to of course spotting problems through irregularities in a trend.

Doug covers it all quite well in this article:

Doug Hillary article on UOA's and their use


In the least, I can prove some naysayers wrong that I'm killing my engine by not changing the oil every 3,000 miles and keep an eye on how my vehicle is doing. I rely on it so I kind of want to know if there are any pending issues.


Originally Posted By: Vuflanovsky
...or you can split the difference and go to a Genesis enthusiast site that will hopefully have intelligent people who've done work along those lines and generated a consensus on what oils seem to work "better" than others. If you're looking for suggestions versus empirical testing done by yourself over a period of a year or two then this might be the better option...if you haven't already done so.

My take is I'd always go to an enthusiast site for your vehicle first and then come here if it doesn't have the support / info / intelligence / experience level you're looking for...I've found that if there's a good community site you can usually skip the more general pontification and get to the answer you want. Not always...but a lot of the time.


I am part of the Genesis Coupe forums and I get these UOA's done so I can post them there. Many of them are adamant that I am destroying my engine, so I use this as evidence I am now. Also, right now they are trying to blame Mobil 1, regardless of the viscosity, for destroying bearings but no proof of it at all. My current fill is Mobil 1 EP so I will have a UOA just to prove that wrong as well.

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#4297275 - 01/08/17 11:39 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
In the least, I can prove some naysayers wrong that I'm killing my engine by not changing the oil every 3,000 miles and keep an eye on how my vehicle is doing. I rely on it so I kind of want to know if there are any pending issues.

Quote:
I am part of the Genesis Coupe forums and I get these UOA's done so I can post them there. Many of them are adamant that I am destroying my engine, so I use this as evidence I am now. Also, right now they are trying to blame Mobil 1, regardless of the viscosity, for destroying bearings but no proof of it at all. My current fill is Mobil 1 EP so I will have a UOA just to prove that wrong as well.

OP, I'm with you here.
You're doing all right , need not worry about 'expert opinions' from experienced owners from Genesis forum really.
Edge EP and Mobil EP/standard OCI could be further extended, though I wouldn't do the same with PUP.


Edited by zeng (01/08/17 11:40 PM)

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#4297389 - 01/09/17 07:31 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17


In the least, I can prove some naysayers wrong that I'm killing my engine by not changing the oil every 3,000 miles and keep an eye on how my vehicle is doing. I rely on it so I kind of want to know if there are any pending issues.




thumbsup I'm in 100% in agreement on that one, and that's a fine motivation smile
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#4297406 - 01/09/17 07:49 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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The reports look good. A couple of things come to mind. It would have been nice to see all the oils used for the same approximate miles. In your case 9K runs would have been nice. I was also under the impression that when switching brands for UOA comparison it is best to do two runs with the same oil, and take the sample at the end of the second run. That would give a better representation of the oil in the sump and avoid mixing remnants of the oil used prior. Just some thoughts, I'm still in the UOA learning phases.
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#4297551 - 01/09/17 10:12 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: demarpaint]
Lethal1ty17 Offline


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Loc: TX
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
The reports look good. A couple of things come to mind. It would have been nice to see all the oils used for the same approximate miles. In your case 9K runs would have been nice. I was also under the impression that when switching brands for UOA comparison it is best to do two runs with the same oil, and take the sample at the end of the second run. That would give a better representation of the oil in the sump and avoid mixing remnants of the oil used prior. Just some thoughts, I'm still in the UOA learning phases.

In an ideal world, yes that would have been best to run a sample at the end of the second fill of the same oil, and to run them all 9k or so. But that would be at least a year between UOA's and I also change the oil when time permits. This last one was either at 9k or at 12.5k because I was going on a long road trip. Seeing as the 11k report was mediocre I decided to change it a bit earlier so I didn't have to worry about it. Also thinking about trying a Fram Ultra filter next time to see how it affects the insolubles count and if it drops any wear numbers vs the standard OEM filter that is just plain cellulose.

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#4297891 - 01/09/17 04:11 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Vuflanovsky
...or you can split the difference and go to a Genesis enthusiast site that will hopefully have intelligent people who've done work along those lines and generated a consensus on what oils seem to work "better" than others. If you're looking for suggestions versus empirical testing done by yourself over a period of a year or two then this might be the better option...if you haven't already done so.

My take is I'd always go to an enthusiast site for your vehicle first and then come here if it doesn't have the support / info / intelligence / experience level you're looking for...I've found that if there's a good community site you can usually skip the more general pontification and get to the answer you want. Not always...but a lot of the time.


Lethal1ty17 posted: I am part of the Genesis Coupe forums and I get these UOA's done so I can post them there. Many of them are adamant that I am destroying my engine, so I use this as evidence I am now. Also, right now they are trying to blame Mobil 1, regardless of the viscosity, for destroying bearings but no proof of it at all. My current fill is Mobil 1 EP so I will have a UOA just to prove that wrong as well. [/quote]

That's too bad...it really is dependent on a good, experienced community to get things right versus pontificating about oil brands creating problems. I've had good luck with some of the vehicle-specific forums I've been a member of and will always listen to someone who has experience with my vehicle versus people who have no knowledge of, interest in, or experience with that vehicle. I can say that some of the advice given here has been less than appropriate for my vehicle but if M1 is causing the engine apocalypse as a consensus then that would be at the bottom of the barrel.


Edited by Vuflanovsky (01/09/17 04:15 PM)

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#4298242 - 01/09/17 10:23 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
Lethal1ty17 Offline


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Every time I would ask for proof of their claims or to hear from someone that actually had bearing failure there was silence. Claims were even made that certain manufacturers of aftermarket components were recommending against Mobil 1 so I called and asked, of course it was false and when I posted about it no one responded.

Side note: what are the chances a Fram Ultra really would lower the insolubles under 0.3% which it seems to be stable at? There's a TSB about using OEM filters only but I'd be willing to try one of them because they have synthetic media vs the OEM plain cellulose.

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#4298766 - 01/10/17 02:55 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Vuflanovsky]
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Originally Posted By: Vuflanovsky


My take is I'd always go to an enthusiast site for your vehicle first and then come here if it doesn't have the support / info / intelligence / experience level you're looking for...I've found that if there's a good community site you can usually skip the more general pontification and get to the answer you want. Not always...but a lot of the time.


You clearly have not tried to have an oil discussion above kindergarten level on a Jeep forum. laugh
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#4298820 - 01/10/17 03:42 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Note to self: Stay clear of Jeep forums even if you don't own one...could be mentally scarring.

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#4298893 - 01/10/17 04:56 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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