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#4297389 - 01/09/17 07:31 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17


In the least, I can prove some naysayers wrong that I'm killing my engine by not changing the oil every 3,000 miles and keep an eye on how my vehicle is doing. I rely on it so I kind of want to know if there are any pending issues.




thumbsup I'm in 100% in agreement on that one, and that's a fine motivation smile
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#4297406 - 01/09/17 07:49 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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The reports look good. A couple of things come to mind. It would have been nice to see all the oils used for the same approximate miles. In your case 9K runs would have been nice. I was also under the impression that when switching brands for UOA comparison it is best to do two runs with the same oil, and take the sample at the end of the second run. That would give a better representation of the oil in the sump and avoid mixing remnants of the oil used prior. Just some thoughts, I'm still in the UOA learning phases.
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#4297551 - 01/09/17 10:12 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
The reports look good. A couple of things come to mind. It would have been nice to see all the oils used for the same approximate miles. In your case 9K runs would have been nice. I was also under the impression that when switching brands for UOA comparison it is best to do two runs with the same oil, and take the sample at the end of the second run. That would give a better representation of the oil in the sump and avoid mixing remnants of the oil used prior. Just some thoughts, I'm still in the UOA learning phases.

In an ideal world, yes that would have been best to run a sample at the end of the second fill of the same oil, and to run them all 9k or so. But that would be at least a year between UOA's and I also change the oil when time permits. This last one was either at 9k or at 12.5k because I was going on a long road trip. Seeing as the 11k report was mediocre I decided to change it a bit earlier so I didn't have to worry about it. Also thinking about trying a Fram Ultra filter next time to see how it affects the insolubles count and if it drops any wear numbers vs the standard OEM filter that is just plain cellulose.

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#4297891 - 01/09/17 04:11 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Vuflanovsky
...or you can split the difference and go to a Genesis enthusiast site that will hopefully have intelligent people who've done work along those lines and generated a consensus on what oils seem to work "better" than others. If you're looking for suggestions versus empirical testing done by yourself over a period of a year or two then this might be the better option...if you haven't already done so.

My take is I'd always go to an enthusiast site for your vehicle first and then come here if it doesn't have the support / info / intelligence / experience level you're looking for...I've found that if there's a good community site you can usually skip the more general pontification and get to the answer you want. Not always...but a lot of the time.


Lethal1ty17 posted: I am part of the Genesis Coupe forums and I get these UOA's done so I can post them there. Many of them are adamant that I am destroying my engine, so I use this as evidence I am now. Also, right now they are trying to blame Mobil 1, regardless of the viscosity, for destroying bearings but no proof of it at all. My current fill is Mobil 1 EP so I will have a UOA just to prove that wrong as well. [/quote]

That's too bad...it really is dependent on a good, experienced community to get things right versus pontificating about oil brands creating problems. I've had good luck with some of the vehicle-specific forums I've been a member of and will always listen to someone who has experience with my vehicle versus people who have no knowledge of, interest in, or experience with that vehicle. I can say that some of the advice given here has been less than appropriate for my vehicle but if M1 is causing the engine apocalypse as a consensus then that would be at the bottom of the barrel.


Edited by Vuflanovsky (01/09/17 04:15 PM)

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#4298242 - 01/09/17 10:23 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Every time I would ask for proof of their claims or to hear from someone that actually had bearing failure there was silence. Claims were even made that certain manufacturers of aftermarket components were recommending against Mobil 1 so I called and asked, of course it was false and when I posted about it no one responded.

Side note: what are the chances a Fram Ultra really would lower the insolubles under 0.3% which it seems to be stable at? There's a TSB about using OEM filters only but I'd be willing to try one of them because they have synthetic media vs the OEM plain cellulose.

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#4298766 - 01/10/17 02:55 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Vuflanovsky]
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Originally Posted By: Vuflanovsky


My take is I'd always go to an enthusiast site for your vehicle first and then come here if it doesn't have the support / info / intelligence / experience level you're looking for...I've found that if there's a good community site you can usually skip the more general pontification and get to the answer you want. Not always...but a lot of the time.


You clearly have not tried to have an oil discussion above kindergarten level on a Jeep forum. laugh
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#4298820 - 01/10/17 03:42 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Note to self: Stay clear of Jeep forums even if you don't own one...could be mentally scarring.

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#4298893 - 01/10/17 04:56 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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