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#4294332 - 01/05/17 05:17 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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#4294335 - 01/05/17 05:20 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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As long as all the new oils pass the Jan 2017 dexos1 LSPI spec. Said oils should hit the shelf in a few months after current stock is depleted. Maybe that will fix all LSPI DI woes.

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#4294343 - 01/05/17 05:32 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Concur with BStone recommending 11K OCI with Edge EP.

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#4294575 - 01/05/17 10:37 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
My observations:

When you change oil, you leave a lot of old oil in the sump, as evidenced by Titanium showing up on your past 11k Ultra run (1/3 of your last oil change was still in there).

Use a Fram Ultra and maybe the insolubles will go down to 0.1

Castrol Edge seems to be the best oil so far here, as Pennzoil Ultra got a little thick (oxidation).

Titanium works synergistically, so no worries with Ti mixed in with other oils, despite ArcoGraphite tweeting recklessly like he was a pres-elect here....


There's only about 1/2-3/4qt maximum left in the engine when I drain it. I even measured the amount that drained out. Also, there is a TSB about using non-OEM oil filters with the Hyundai engines because it can cause some minor issues, so I've been sticking to the OEM one. With insolubles at 0.3% it's splitting hairs. Though, if they finally release a Purolator Boss for it, I might go for it. In the spirit of keeping all things the same and testing only the oil, I stuck with OEM as well. Plus, the guys on the Genesis forums have been adamant about 3-5k oil changes and claiming the OEM filter isn't very good, so I did this as well. Already have 3,500 miles on my next oil fill in the past 2 1/2 weeks due to a road trip, and at 600 ish miles a week, it won't be too long before I have the next results.

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#4294585 - 01/05/17 10:52 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
My observations:

When you change oil, you leave a lot of old oil in the sump, as evidenced by Titanium showing up on your past 11k Ultra run (1/3 of your last oil change was still in there).


There's only about 1/2-3/4qt maximum left in the engine when I drain it. I even measured the amount that drained out.


Wow that's weird because so much titanium showed up in your Pennz Ultra oil you would think it had to come from the old Castrol Edge oil.
...Unless, and this must be the only explanation, the titanium stuck to the surface of the internal engine metal when you drained the Castrol Edge. This way the titanium would actually show up on the Ultra analysis.

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#4294663 - 01/06/17 04:00 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Very interesting set of UOAs!

What stands out for me are the Viscosity, TBN and how they relate to your time and mileage.

Firstly, M1 thinned much more and with less mileage. Blackstone probably said wear and TBN would allow you to run it longer, but it was probably better that you didn't go much below a TBN of 2.5.

Secondly, the magnesium Edge EP held its viscosity well. Though the TBN was high, remember that magnesium oils return higher TBN numbers so again, I wouldn't look at running that oil all the way down to a TBN of 1.

The Ultra then proves why you should not base oil intervals on Blackstone's TBN of 1 is OK. That oil thickened up quite a bit because it starts around 8.3cst and probably thinned first. 11000 miles was way too far even though the TBN was 1.9.

Your newest Edge EP uoa shows only modest thinning but your TBN of 2 is at a point where other, more knowledgeable industry experts would recommend a change.

Since you've described a more robust style of driving, and taking all the UOAs into account, I think the 9000 mile oci with an EP oil, probably Edge, is a prudent maximum.
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#4294804 - 01/06/17 09:18 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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I meant to change the Pennzoil at 10k miles, but stuff came up. Here are the other 3 UOA's in order from first to last.




Edited by Lethal1ty17 (01/06/17 09:18 AM)

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#4295013 - 01/06/17 01:24 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Phishin]
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ARCO and his apocalyptic tirades....

I think we have an early favorite for phrase of the year. wink
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#4295029 - 01/06/17 01:56 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.


Well, you aren't really going to be able to do that via PPM comparisons with UOA's. Each oil will have a different "signature" and the results between each are no comparable. The idea is to trend a specific lubricant and watch for anomalies which may indicate potential issues.
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#4295546 - 01/07/17 08:21 AM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: MarcS]
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Originally Posted By: MarcS
Originally Posted By: Ohle_Manezzini
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My experience is once you've gone the Ti pack you stay the Ti pack. You cant go back without the engine sounding like it will implode.


All of That, because of 20 to 50 ppm of Ti? Really?


I think it's safe to assume the titanium-based additive package that contains the Ti picked up on analysis is more than 20-50ppm by volume and that castrol doesn't just add 20-50PPM of titanium shavings and call it a day.


Well I was being optimist there, the analyses gave 15 to 34 ppm of Ti.

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#4296233 - 01/07/17 08:54 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.


Well, you aren't really going to be able to do that via PPM comparisons with UOA's. Each oil will have a different "signature" and the results between each are no comparable. The idea is to trend a specific lubricant and watch for anomalies which may indicate potential issues.


It can tell me if one oil is giving me lower iron wear numbers which generally increases in a linear fashion, or tell me which oil is standing up better in my 3.8 better at 10k miles.

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#4296254 - 01/07/17 09:09 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.


Well, you aren't really going to be able to do that via PPM comparisons with UOA's. Each oil will have a different "signature" and the results between each are no comparable. The idea is to trend a specific lubricant and watch for anomalies which may indicate potential issues.


It can tell me if one oil is giving me lower iron wear numbers which generally increases in a linear fashion, or tell me which oil is standing up better in my 3.8 better at 10k miles.


Not really. Since a UOA only samples a very narrow range of particle sizes, a few PPM difference between oils doesn't amount to anything statistically significant and each oil will have its own "signature" that does not directly correlate to how it is "wearing". Ergo, trying to compare different oils in this manner is an exercise in futility. You are better served tracking TBN retention, fuel dilution and the like, as that's truly the purpose of the tool in addition to of course spotting problems through irregularities in a trend.

Doug covers it all quite well in this article:

Doug Hillary article on UOA's and their use
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#4296873 - 01/08/17 02:16 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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...or you can split the difference and go to a Genesis enthusiast site that will hopefully have intelligent people who've done work along those lines and generated a consensus on what oils seem to work "better" than others. If you're looking for suggestions versus empirical testing done by yourself over a period of a year or two then this might be the better option...if you haven't already done so.

My take is I'd always go to an enthusiast site for your vehicle first and then come here if it doesn't have the support / info / intelligence / experience level you're looking for...I've found that if there's a good community site you can usually skip the more general pontification and get to the answer you want. Not always...but a lot of the time.

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#4297157 - 01/08/17 08:40 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Vuflanovsky]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
Trying to determine what oil wears best in the 3.8 Genesis engine.

Feedback/criticism/comments welcomed.


Well, you aren't really going to be able to do that via PPM comparisons with UOA's. Each oil will have a different "signature" and the results between each are no comparable. The idea is to trend a specific lubricant and watch for anomalies which may indicate potential issues.


It can tell me if one oil is giving me lower iron wear numbers which generally increases in a linear fashion, or tell me which oil is standing up better in my 3.8 better at 10k miles.


Not really. Since a UOA only samples a very narrow range of particle sizes, a few PPM difference between oils doesn't amount to anything statistically significant and each oil will have its own "signature" that does not directly correlate to how it is "wearing". Ergo, trying to compare different oils in this manner is an exercise in futility. You are better served tracking TBN retention, fuel dilution and the like, as that's truly the purpose of the tool in addition to of course spotting problems through irregularities in a trend.

Doug covers it all quite well in this article:

Doug Hillary article on UOA's and their use


In the least, I can prove some naysayers wrong that I'm killing my engine by not changing the oil every 3,000 miles and keep an eye on how my vehicle is doing. I rely on it so I kind of want to know if there are any pending issues.


Originally Posted By: Vuflanovsky
...or you can split the difference and go to a Genesis enthusiast site that will hopefully have intelligent people who've done work along those lines and generated a consensus on what oils seem to work "better" than others. If you're looking for suggestions versus empirical testing done by yourself over a period of a year or two then this might be the better option...if you haven't already done so.

My take is I'd always go to an enthusiast site for your vehicle first and then come here if it doesn't have the support / info / intelligence / experience level you're looking for...I've found that if there's a good community site you can usually skip the more general pontification and get to the answer you want. Not always...but a lot of the time.


I am part of the Genesis Coupe forums and I get these UOA's done so I can post them there. Many of them are adamant that I am destroying my engine, so I use this as evidence I am now. Also, right now they are trying to blame Mobil 1, regardless of the viscosity, for destroying bearings but no proof of it at all. My current fill is Mobil 1 EP so I will have a UOA just to prove that wrong as well.

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#4297275 - 01/08/17 11:39 PM Re: '10 Genesis Coupe V6 Edge EP 5w20 (9,042 mile run) [Re: Lethal1ty17]
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
In the least, I can prove some naysayers wrong that I'm killing my engine by not changing the oil every 3,000 miles and keep an eye on how my vehicle is doing. I rely on it so I kind of want to know if there are any pending issues.

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I am part of the Genesis Coupe forums and I get these UOA's done so I can post them there. Many of them are adamant that I am destroying my engine, so I use this as evidence I am now. Also, right now they are trying to blame Mobil 1, regardless of the viscosity, for destroying bearings but no proof of it at all. My current fill is Mobil 1 EP so I will have a UOA just to prove that wrong as well.

OP, I'm with you here.
You're doing all right , need not worry about 'expert opinions' from experienced owners from Genesis forum really.
Edge EP and Mobil EP/standard OCI could be further extended, though I wouldn't do the same with PUP.


Edited by zeng (01/08/17 11:40 PM)

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