Go high mileage or just thicker viscosity?

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If you are only checking the oil every 1000 miles (and you should check it more often than that), there is no reason to keep extra oil in the trunk of your car. You are mostly only risking an oil spill in your trunk. That and from your original post, I can't really tell exactly how much oil it's burning, but I suspect not much and withing tolerance, and that you are worrying too much. I my 1995 Escort burns and/or leaks a total of around 1 quart every 1000 miles. but given it's mileage (way more then yours) I am not worried about it since I do check the oil every 500-1000 miles and top it off.
 
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
If you are only checking the oil every 1000 miles (and you should check it more often than that), there is no reason to keep extra oil in the trunk of your car. You are mostly only risking an oil spill in your trunk. That and from your original post, I can't really tell exactly how much oil it's burning, but I suspect not much and withing tolerance, and that you are worrying too much. I my 1995 Escort burns and/or leaks a total of around 1 quart every 1000 miles. but given it's mileage (way more then yours) I am not worried about it since I do check the oil every 500-1000 miles and top it off.


I concur. If you check your oil monthly, don't see a reason to carry oil around with you.

OP, how much oil is your engine burning?
 
Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
If you are only checking the oil every 1000 miles (and you should check it more often than that), there is no reason to keep extra oil in the trunk of your car. You are mostly only risking an oil spill in your trunk. That and from your original post, I can't really tell exactly how much oil it's burning, but I suspect not much and withing tolerance, and that you are worrying too much. I my 1995 Escort burns and/or leaks a total of around 1 quart every 1000 miles. but given it's mileage (way more then yours) I am not worried about it since I do check the oil every 500-1000 miles and top it off.


I concur. If you check your oil monthly, don't see a reason to carry oil around with you.

OP, how much oil is your engine burning?


0.5 quarts per 1,000 miles, give or take. I only keep the oil in the trunk for convenience when I check, not because I am worried about it burning itself out, haha.
 
Originally Posted By: mazdamonky
Yes, the 5w30 is a bandaid for burning oil and would be better suited for harder driving in your car. My vote goes toward use the weight recommended by the manufacturer when your mileage is as low as yours is, but use it as a 0wx instead of a 5wx. So if they recommend 5w20, try the 0w20 PPHM. High mileage oils tend to have more cleaning additives in them so that should help. If there is any form of blockage for the oil returns, a piston soak may help. If none of these help, i would look into moving to a 5w30. Toyota recommends 0w20 even in Mexico on newer cars so it is not done JUST for cafe even though it may mostly be done for cafe.


90% wrong, 30 specs are design spec for almost all non hybrid petrol jobs. 0w20 is thinner than 5w20, so is a move in the wrong direction. HM oils often have the same amount of Ca, Mg or the cheaper less effective Na detergents as other major brand FS oils, BUT they do have more seal conditioners/swellers.

Piston soaks can cause real bad winter starting issues in old blocks, using an idle flush additive to clean up the scraper ring and an Italian tune up for the compression rings is easier and just as effective, it also avoids the cold start issue.
Toyota have exactly the same low fuel consumption issues in Japan and other countries due to their equivalent of the CAFE regs. Those Japanese regs also include serious emissions tests, so are in most ways worse than CAFE regs.

PS: Hope I'm not just responding to a hot country heavy towing thin oil troller!
 
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Half a quart per 1000 isn't all that bad. I'd just use SuperTech Synthetic 5W-30 and call it a day - at least it's cheap for your top offs. Or experiment with Maxlife if you want - in MD (not that cold), even 10W-40 would be fine. 3 quarts for a 6k run on a 10 year old is acceptable IMO. I'd think the usage would lessen once you get away from the 0W-20.
 
OMG, that's high oil consumption. If you do a UOA or three it might be possible to extend the OCI to 10K miles plus.
 
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Valvoline Maxlife or M1 HM 5W-30 is what i would use for the next oil change.



Yea I would also run the Maxlife 5w30. Run that for about 4-5k and see what that does. I run a HM 10w30 in my MiLs Corolla.
 
Originally Posted By: skaughtz
I have been juggling with the idea of finally moving away from the 0W-20 recommendation for my 2007 Camry LE 2.4L daily driver. She has 86,000 miles on her and like all of the 2AZ-FE engines, she burns some oil. Not enough to qualify for the Toyota rebuild, but enough that I keep a spare jug of oil in the trunk and check every 1,000 miles.

I got the car with 60,000 miles on her two years ago with a Jiffy Lube sticker in the corner stating it had conventional in it. My guess is because it was a grandma car before I got it (nothing against conventional). I immediately dumped it and have put in PP 0W-20 every 4,000 to 6,000 miles since then (I like synthetic oils, I like PP's spiffy bottle and natural gas base stock, and I like consistency in my buying habits). After doing some research on the oil consumption issue with those engines (if I recall correctly, it is that the oil return holes in the piston rings are milled too small and get clogged up over time), I figured a low viscosity oil would be the best way to maintain flow and decrease consumption. It is difficult to tell if the consumption has increased at all in the last 25,000+ miles, but I don't think that it has.

Anyhoo, now the car is approaching 100,000 miles and I am thinking it might be time to step up to 5W-30, as I plan on keeping it for a while. I realize the 0W-20 standard is basically due to CAFE, but if moving up a viscosity grade is merely a band-aid for the consumption issue, I would prefer to wait until further down the road to apply it, if/when consumption truly becomes an issue. But, the car is technically "high-mileage" (a designation that I am skeptical is just arbitrary), so I am also considering that.

Any thoughts on this? Is 86,000k too old to be running 0W-20? Is the increase in viscosity just a band-aid for consumption issues? Is high mileage recommended once a certain age hits or is it to more intended to counter specific issues like leaky seals, etc., that are already occurring?


No idea about anything else relating to your post but I do know this, running 0w20 at 86,000 miles is not a problem whatsoever.

Look at the car in my sig. It doesn't use a drop of oil in 7,500 mile OCI.
 
So the limit is the difference between the fill and full mark for 1300 miles max ??

UMM, sounds like nearly 1 liter per 1000 plus miles!

Anyone figured out if that is correct ??
 
Originally Posted By: skaughtz
I have been juggling with the idea of finally moving away from the 0W-20 recommendation for my 2007 Camry LE 2.4L daily driver. She has 86,000 miles on her and like all of the 2AZ-FE engines, she burns some oil. Not enough to qualify for the Toyota rebuild, but enough that I keep a spare jug of oil in the trunk and check every 1,000 miles.

I got the car with 60,000 miles on her two years ago with a Jiffy Lube sticker in the corner stating it had conventional in it. My guess is because it was a grandma car before I got it (nothing against conventional). I immediately dumped it and have put in PP 0W-20 every 4,000 to 6,000 miles since then (I like synthetic oils, I like PP's spiffy bottle and natural gas base stock, and I like consistency in my buying habits). After doing some research on the oil consumption issue with those engines (if I recall correctly, it is that the oil return holes in the piston rings are milled too small and get clogged up over time), I figured a low viscosity oil would be the best way to maintain flow and decrease consumption. It is difficult to tell if the consumption has increased at all in the last 25,000+ miles, but I don't think that it has.

Anyhoo, now the car is approaching 100,000 miles and I am thinking it might be time to step up to 5W-30, as I plan on keeping it for a while. I realize the 0W-20 standard is basically due to CAFE, but if moving up a viscosity grade is merely a band-aid for the consumption issue, I would prefer to wait until further down the road to apply it, if/when consumption truly becomes an issue. But, the car is technically "high-mileage" (a designation that I am skeptical is just arbitrary), so I am also considering that.

Any thoughts on this? Is 86,000k too old to be running 0W-20? Is the increase in viscosity just a band-aid for consumption issues? Is high mileage recommended once a certain age hits or is it to more intended to counter specific issues like leaky seals, etc., that are already occurring?


Hi there! Toyota calls for an API SL rated oil in a 5w-20 or 0w-20 for your engine and we always recommend using an engine oil that meets the OEM requirements. Pennzoil has two high mileage engine oils designed for older cars or those that have more than 75,000 miles. Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage full synthetic motor oil is made from natural gas and will clean your engine up to 40% better than the industry standards. We also offer a conventional high mileage motor oil - Pennzoil High Mileage which will clean your engine, prevent sludge build up and give you enhanced wear protection. Both products have seal conditioners designed to specifically reduce leaks and oil consumption and both meet your OEM recommendation.

Increasing the viscosity of a motor oil may put more strain on your engine reducing fuel economy and more importantly, the higher viscosity may not lubricate vital engine parts effectively. Switching to a high mileage formula is the better choice for an engine over 75,000 miles or experiencing leaks.

-The Pennzoil Team
 
She doesn't say, but most most HM oils have higher HTHS than the run of the mill. That is equivalent to moving to a slightly "thicker" oil w/o stepping outside the OEM requirements
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Go high mileage and don't look back....bad mouthing high mileage oil really makes no sense to me. Might not be a miracle cure for whats going on in an older motor,but definitely worth using....
 
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