Glock Trigger Work

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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd

Due to their popularity, Glocks probably enjoy the most prolific aftermarket support of any pistol.


Almost. There is that pesky thing called a 1911.
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Someone told me that Glock owners and 1911 owners are always clashing. Is this true?
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I have a Glock, but really want a 1911, just having issues finding the one I want. A friend of mine has multiple Glocks and a few 1911s, he concealed carries a Glock.
 
I like the 1911 for its history more than anything. You don't find a piece of Edwardian era autoloading weaponry that has held on as tenaciously as the 1911 has.

I will say that one chambered in 38 Super or even 9mm are some of the softest shooting guns you can get.
 
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Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I like the 1911 for its history more than anything. You don't find a piece of Edwardian era autoloading weaponry that has held on as tenaciously as the 1911 has.

I will say that one chambered in 38 Super or even 9mm are some of the softest shooting guns you can get.

Ruger now makes one chambered in 9mm.
http://ruger.com/products/sr1911/specSheets/6722.html
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I like the 1911 for its history more than anything. You don't find a piece of Edwardian era autoloading weaponry that has held on as tenaciously as the 1911 has.

I will say that one chambered in 38 Super or even 9mm are some of the softest shooting guns you can get.

Ruger now makes one chambered in 9mm.
http://ruger.com/products/sr1911/specSheets/6722.html


Lots of people do. The Ruger is an alloy framed gun though, which I don't really dig.
 
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I like the 1911 for its history more than anything. You don't find a piece of Edwardian era autoloading weaponry that has held on as tenaciously as the 1911 has.

I will say that one chambered in 38 Super or even 9mm are some of the softest shooting guns you can get.

Ruger now makes one chambered in 9mm.
http://ruger.com/products/sr1911/specSheets/6722.html


Lots of people do. The Ruger is an alloy framed gun though, which I don't really dig.

I'm not too familiar with the 1911. I have owned the FEG version of it, which I traded for a Ruger Security Six .357, 2" barrel.
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Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I like the 1911 for its history more than anything. You don't find a piece of Edwardian era autoloading weaponry that has held on as tenaciously as the 1911 has.

Exactly and once you detail strip it down completely you begin to see the Genius of J.B. you only begin to appreciate the entire pistol.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I like the 1911 for its history more than anything. You don't find a piece of Edwardian era autoloading weaponry that has held on as tenaciously as the 1911 has.

Exactly and once you detail strip it down completely you begin to see the Genius of J.B. you only begin to appreciate the entire pistol.


Well you also really see where the US military likely had guidance. The way the manual safety is designed, sort of makes it look like it was tacked on as an afterthought/. None of his other pistols use the externally staked on plunger tube assembly. I think JMB figured a grip safety and a half cock was enough initially.

Most of the old guns of that era have quite a bit of ingenuity and diversity to them. I love guns that were designed from roughly 1890 to 1940.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter

Someone told me that Glock owners and 1911 owners are always clashing. Is this true?
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Contrary to popular belief, It is possible and not blasphemous to own both!

Every other handgun trigger feels mushy compared to a good 1911 trigger.

If you want an easy improvement to your Glock pistol trigger, get a ghost triggers ranger connector. It is drop in and keeps the gun reliable but lightens and smoothes out the trigger while maintaining a safe pull weight. You can also get a glock OEM minus trigger connector but they don't make a big enough change IMO.

http://www.ghostinc.com/category/12_45lbranger/
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Pull on the trigger until it hits the wall (there may be some mush or grit -- this doesn't affect your shooting). Let the trigger sit on that wall for a second as you concentrate on your trigger pull. Put a constant force on that trigger until it breaks the wall and let it surprise you. Don't jerk the trigger -- just a smooth and even pressure on it.

You sound like one of my instructors.

I took a class with this guy when I first got my Glock 19. He stressed that you shouldn't "pull" the trigger and, especially, don't "jerk" the trigger. His mantra was "press-press-press-press" until the gun goes bang. He also mentioned the "let it surprise you" idea. Amazingly enough, my best shots when I was working with him were the shots where I was a bit surprised that the gun went off.

He also played a "Jedi mind trick" on me. He stood behind me and put one of his fingers on my right shoulder. His instructions were for me to concentrate on the pressure he was putting on my shoulder and to increase my pressure on the trigger in sync with the shoulder pressure. It was a good technique to take my mind off of what the trigger was doing and just focus on the aim while steadily increasing trigger pressure.
 
Originally Posted By: bb37
He stressed that you shouldn't "pull" the trigger and, especially, don't "jerk" the trigger. His mantra was "press-press-press-press" until the gun goes bang. He also mentioned the "let it surprise you" idea. Amazingly enough, my best shots when I was working with him were the shots where I was a bit surprised that the gun went off.

Depends if you are target shooting or combat shooting. You still squeeze the trigger in both cases though.
 
I would first explain how the Glock trigger works. I own 7 Glocks and have tried most every trick in the book. I have a box of discarded parts to show for it and most of my failures came from the trick part. That being said, when you pull the trigger back, you are pulling against the striker spring and depressing the striker safety plunger, that is the "mush" you feel. The trigger spring maintains pressure against the striker and can be changed to effect the pull of the trigger. ( installing a stronger trigger spring makes the trigger pull lighter) The after market folks sell lighter striker springs to make the trigger pull lighter. ( I tried them and discarded them, induced light primer strikes) Them most common parts changed with the most effective change is the connector. Glock triggers can have factory trigger pulls between 3.5 to 10lbs. depending of sale location. The connector will have a - 3.5 lbs., no marking = 5 lbs, + = 8 lbs and some will have no trigger spring, instead it will have a strange plastic triangle looking device under the trigger bar to run the trigger pull up to 10 lbs. For my competition guns I use a 3.5 lb. connector and an extra power trigger spring with all touching trigger parts polished and greased. Good for 2.5-3 lbs of trigger pull. Carry guns I use the Glock 5 lb connector and factory trigger spring with trigger parts polished. Their are other trigger mods that I do that require a lot of skill and patience to get right. (My G-35 has a two lb trigger that cost me several ruin parts to get right.) So I won't get into them here. Can you ID the trigger system installed in your Glock?

Robert
 
Great information Robert : I'm not the OP but I run a reduced power plunger spring (Wolff) , a #5.0lb. striker spring (Wolff) with no light primer strikes and a "." connector (effect is between #3.5lb. and stock #5.0 lb. connectors) in my G17 Gen 3 plus polished trigger parts . I have a #6lb. trigger spring (Wolff) in reserve plus a #4.5lb. striker spring (Wolff) should I want to try but I will stay where I am now as the trigger feels pretty good.
Originally Posted By: RLS
I would first explain how the Glock trigger works. I own 7 Glocks and have tried most every trick in the book. I have a box of discarded parts to show for it and most of my failures came from the trick part. That being said, when you pull the trigger back, you are pulling against the striker spring and depressing the striker safety plunger, that is the "mush" you feel. The trigger spring maintains pressure against the striker and can be changed to effect the pull of the trigger. ( installing a stronger trigger spring makes the trigger pull lighter) The after market folks sell lighter striker springs to make the trigger pull lighter. ( I tried them and discarded them, induced light primer strikes) Them most common parts changed with the most effective change is the connector. Glock triggers can have factory trigger pulls between 3.5 to 10lbs. depending of sale location. The connector will have a - 3.5 lbs., no marking = 5 lbs, + = 8 lbs and some will have no trigger spring, instead it will have a strange plastic triangle looking device under the trigger bar to run the trigger pull up to 10 lbs. For my competition guns I use a 3.5 lb. connector and an extra power trigger spring with all touching trigger parts polished and greased. Good for 2.5-3 lbs of trigger pull. Carry guns I use the Glock 5 lb connector and factory trigger spring with trigger parts polished. Their are other trigger mods that I do that require a lot of skill and patience to get right. (My G-35 has a two lb trigger that cost me several ruin parts to get right.) So I won't get into them here. Can you ID the trigger system installed in your Glock?

Robert
 
I run CCI primers that are on the hard side, so the light striker spring was not 100% for me. The Federal primers will work with the light striker spring.
 
Originally Posted By: RLS
I run CCI primers that are on the hard side, so the light striker spring was not 100% for me. The Federal primers will work with the light striker spring.


I find it a bit on the scary side when I hear this kind of stuff about defensive pistols, that might be employed in saving one's life. A defensive weapon should run well with EVERY type of ammunition out there, regardless of the type or "hardness" of the primers contained in it. Anything less could easily get someone killed. Primer strikes should be deep and profound in every fired case that ejects from the weapon.
 
I didn't say my Glock was a defensive weapon (for running gun games only in IDPA or USPA ...) If it was for defensive or carry purposes I would be sporting a different set up for sure - guys competing in IDPA or USPA evens can be found running highly tuned internals with specific loads. I also run a non - stock recoil spring assembly (#2 lbs. lighter than a stock Glock spring) to slow down the slide, reduce muzzle flip so I can get back on target faster . *It's my fault this post went South of topic for which I apoligize ...
 
Originally Posted By: billt460

I find it a bit on the scary side when I hear this kind of stuff about defensive pistols, that might be employed in saving one's life.

I believe he was referring to his target pistols.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Being that this is my 1st Glock that I have ever owned, (Gen 4 G17) I think there can be some improvement in the trigger. But, I don't know ANYTHING about Glocks, and I never like to mess with anything I am not familiar with.
My trigger has a "mushy" feel to it before it fires. I have been doing research on Glock triggers, esp. the Gen 4. I have seen so many different ways to "improve" the trigger that I'm actually confused.
Then, there's that little voice I keep hearing that says to leave it alone, learn it, and be happy. Are there any Glock owners here, esp. Gen 4 G17 owners, that have "improved" their Glock trigger?



Lots of good advice in this thread, specifically "get out and shoot a case through it first."

Once you get to know the system, from a physics standpoint, a Glock is just a balance of springs.

If it's going to be a carry weapon, don't mess with it (except maybe a .25 cent polish and "-" minus glock factory connector for reliability sake)

If you ever do want a after market flat face trigger, Apex is the bees knees.

Avoid all things made by the company Ghost, specifically their connectors. Some reputable connectors include glock factory connectors, Vanek Custom, Taran Tactical, etc.

G17's have been known to have a life in the 200K+ round range, get out and enjoy it!

S
 
Polishing certain parts of the trigger mechanism to a mirror shine, swapping out springs and changing the connector do have a positive impact on reducing the gritty feel of the trigger. Glock triggers are easy to work on but there is a limit as to how much improvement you will get. At least, that is what I have found out working on them. Maybe, a gun worked over by a Glock specialist gunsmith will be a lot better than factory, but I have never been able to shoot such a gun.
 
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