Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
It is indeed curious. As far as I know, the only common, widely commercially available form of lube soluble sodium is low TBN 'natural' sodium sulphonate. It's been around forever and is, I think, widely used in cutting oils where lube/water compatibility is important and where a high soap content matters.
However I just can't see why you would use such a thing in a modern engine oil. Soap as a concept is meaningless in a gasoline engine (possibly it means more in a diesel but I'd still be sceptical). And if you did need soap (let's say it has miraculous friction reduction properties) then why not simply use low TBN neutral calcium or magnesium sulphonate which will be far cheaper and more widely available?
It might make more sense to use high TBN over-based sodium sulphonate (300 - 400 TBN) but when I Google these, no-one seems to make them. The closest I could get was Amoco's 400 TBN over-based Sodium 'Oxidate'/Sulphonate which in my mind might make sense on a cost-effectiveness basis.
I guess unless someone from Valvoline (or, more likely Lz) joins this thread and just comes out and tells us, I suspect we may never know what this sodium stuff is or what its function is...
I can't speak for Valvoline (or Lz) but I have seen overbased sodium sulphonates used in metalworking fluids as well as the low TBN naturals that you mention. Based on that and some other literature I found that basically lumps Sodium Sulphonates in with Calcium and Magnesium ones in the detergent category...
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Common commercial detergents are derived from calcium, magnesium, sodium, and barium.
The metals are listed in order of preference. As mentioned, neutral detergents are made by reacting the acid substrate with a stoichiometric amount of the metal base, and overbased detergents are made by reacting the substrate with an excess amount of base in the presence of carbon dioxide. To make calcium and magnesium salts from natural sulfonic acids and alkylsalicylic acids, one must convert commercially available alkali metal (sodium and potassium) salts (see Figures 4.5 and 4.7) into free acids by reacting them with a mineral acid and then reacting the acids with magnesium oxide or calcium hydroxide. Alternatively, alkali metal salts can be converted directly into magnesium and calcium salts through a double-decomposition reaction with a metal halide, as shown in Figure 4.8. To make the natural sulfonate detergent, one must react the mahogany acid soap with a metal halide such as calcium chloride. The reaction converts the sodium sulfonate soap into calcium sulfonate, which can be overbased if desired. Because of the extensive branching, petroleumderived sulfonates have better oil solubility than synthetic sulfonates of similar molecular weight.
Figure 4.9 presents the idealized structures of neutral detergents.
To make overbased detergents, one can use either a two-step process or a one-step process. Generally, the one-step process is preferred over the two-step process. In the two-step process, the neutral salt or the soap is made fi rst, which is subsequently overbased. In the one-step process, the excess metal base is charged to the reaction; once the neutral salt formation is complete, carbon dioxide blowing (carbonation) of the reaction is initiated. When carbon dioxide uptake stops, the reaction is considered complete and it is worked up to isolate the product. Figure 4.10 summarizes the two processes. For making overbased natural sulfonates and alkylsalicylates, one can double-decompose alkali metal salts in situ by reacting with a metal halide and overbasing.
The alkali metal halide by-product need not be removed until the overbasing is complete. It comes out during the final filtration, which is employed to remove any unreacted excess base and other particulate materials.
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A natural or synthetic sulfonate can be neutralized and overbased with various cations depending on the application. For example:
Sodium sulfonate. In general, the high equivalent weight (500–550 EW) petroleum or (390–700 EW) synthetic alkylbenzene sulfonic acids are neutralized with NaOH to form sodium sulfonates, which are commonly used in soluble oils for metalworking applications, where the divalent cations (Mg, Ca, and Ba) are detrimental to the stability of the soluble oil. The sodium salts of the synthetic dialkyl naphthalene sulfonates have been used, but their high cost has limited their use in this application.
This looks to be close to the process you described. As far as availability goes - my experience has been that the major Addco's (except maybe Afton) are not really forthcoming with making their product lineups available via google.
I'd venture a guess that it's probably detergent over Friction Modifier functionality - although there may be some ancillary benefits in AW behavior where other active sulfur may be present.