2017 GTI Oil Selection

[artificialist]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Nobody ever mentions Valvoline 5W-40; I wonder why that is.

Not as well priced as M1 0w-40 and Castrol 0w-40 in 5qt jugs.


It is price competitive when NAPA has a sale on Valvoline oil. It also gets mentioned in the diesel engine section because it is the most common oil in the USA that meets VW 505.01

I recommend going to online stores for VW enthusiasts, then buy a kit that contains the right amount of approved oil, an OEM or OES filter, and a drain plug gasket.

Plus you get several choices besides Castrol and Mobil. I have seen Liqui-Moly, Pentosin, Ravenol, and Total Quartz in those different VW specialty stores.

 

[FCD]

What is so special about VW 502? i don't think the engine would grenade with a good name brand 5W-40 SN, A3/B4 Full synthetic , somebody mentioned Shell Helix Ultra , it's the same stuff as Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Euro 5W-40, it's a great oil , i believe all new Ferraris come off the assembly line with it in the sump in 5W-40 or 10W-60 form.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Nobody ever mentions Valvoline 5W-40; I wonder why that is.

Not as well priced as M1 0w-40 and Castrol 0w-40 in 5qt jugs.


It is price competitive when NAPA has a sale on Valvoline oil.

Right, but with the other two you don't have to wait for a sale to come along.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Yeah... There are no guiltless.


Well if it's any consolation, Valvoline has never gotten a single drop of crude on a pelican.
Where does Valvoline gets its base stock from? Not from COVINGTON, Ky. as I have been by there.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
I wasn't trying to be a stickler. Just clarifying for those reading the thread and looking for such oils.

Well, I went to check what a local one had in stock, for the heck of it. It look like someone tossed a grenade into the oil aisle. Lots of things were out of stock, even the full priced stuff (i.e. $50 plus a jug stuff). I didn't see any M1 HM stuff, but I did see the Canadian Tire house Euro oil, and the bottle does state the MB approval, rather than suitable for. Oh well, that's something I guess.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
What is so special about VW 502? i don't think the engine would grenade with a good name brand 5W-40 SN, A3/B4 Full synthetic , somebody mentioned Shell Helix Ultra , it's the same stuff as Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Euro 5W-40, it's a great oil , i believe all new Ferraris come off the assembly line with it in the sump in 5W-40 or 10W-60 form.

And it is VW 502.00.

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
What is so special about VW 502? i don't think the engine would grenade with a good name brand 5W-40 SN, A3/B4 Full synthetic , somebody mentioned Shell Helix Ultra , it's the same stuff as Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Euro 5W-40, it's a great oil , i believe all new Ferraris come off the assembly line with it in the sump in 5W-40 or 10W-60 form.

And it is VW 502.00.


And all the other important euro specs.

 

[dexos]

Mobil 1 0w-40 is a VW502.00/503.01 engine oil.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: dexos
Mobil 1 0w-40 is a VW502.00/503.01 engine oil.

That is old version you posted

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: jayg
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Yeah... There are no guiltless. That's why I run whichever product I want without worrying about any perceived moral shortcomings.


Oh no! Far better to demand that everyone stop using any natural fuels and use only "green" energy.

Of course, never mind the costs which each of us will share while we live in a country with massive reserves of oil and natural gas...


While there are no perfect nor guiltless oil companies, the safety record of BP prior to the spill was abysmal and an accident rate that was hundreds of times greater than that of Exxon-Mobil IIRC...

It's a legit complaint when they were reckless a-holes...


Hundreds? Not quite.


Okay, dozens. They had 10X the death rate of E-M as of 2005, well before the Deep Water Horizen which probably put them close to "100X's" Exxon-Mobil by 2010.

In any case they had an unforgivable accident record that showed a culture of indifferance and recklessness:

Quote:
However, lawmakers plan to question BP executives about their overall commitment to safety at Congressional hearings this week on the Gulf incident.

“It is a corporate problem,” said Representative Bart Stupak, Democrat of Michigan, who has been particularly critical of BP’s operations in Alaska and will lead the House committee hearing, on Wednesday. “Their mentality is to get in the foxhole and batten down the hatch. It just seems there is this pattern.”

The oil industry is inherently more dangerous than many other industries, and oil companies, including BP, strive to reduce accidents and improve safety.

But BP, the nation’s biggest oil and gas producer, has a worse health, environment and safety record than many other major oil companies, according to Yulia Reuter, the head of the energy research team at RiskMetrics, a consulting group that assigns scores to companies based on their performance in various categories, including safety.

The industry standard for safety, analysts say, is set by Exxon Mobil, which displays an obsessive attention to detail, monitors the smallest spill and imposes scripted procedures on managers.


From: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/business/09bp.html

Quote:
They all have minor incidents nearly daily that we just don't hear about. Ranging from trucks leaking oil on protected lands on the north slope near Prudhoe Bay to spillage from transfer tanks. They clean it, pay fines and move on.


Again, they are not all the same as you are implying, BP WAS far worse. I suspect they probably have improved after the closing the barn door...

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
That is old version you posted

Yep. I feel like we've talked about this before.

Mobil 1 still has 502, but is now GTL... Pass.

 

[dexos]

...sorry.

But according Mobil website:
"Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 is of the following quality:
API CF
VW 503 01"

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted By: dexos
...sorry.

But according Mobil website:
"Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 is of the following quality:
API CF
VW 503 01"


I missed where we said you were wrong. We know it is still 502. We just said you posted an old bottle. M1 0W-40 is now GTL, no longer meets LL01, and is no longer the oil it once was.

Sorry you're sorry.

 

[dexos]

The european M1 0W-40 meets LL-01 (I think it isn't GTL)

 

[turnbowm]

Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Mobil 1 still has 502, but is now GTL... Pass.

Is there something wrong with GTL-base synthetic?

 

[Garak]

I can't see any problem, and any linking of the lack of the LL01 spec and GTL is odd, given that Pennzoil uses GTL and has an LL01 oil. Actually, I'm sure they have more than one of them.

 

[RooflessVW]

I don't have a problem with GTL. I have a problem with an oil moving from PAO to GTL AND losing a certification at the same time. Coincidence? Doubtful. (we've already beaten it to death, there's a 10+ page thread about it.)

I'd happily use Pennzoil Platinum. In fact, that's what was used exclusively in my Phaeton for its first 110k miles before my dealer switched to Total and then Castrol.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I don't have a problem with GTL. I have a problem with an oil moving from PAO to GTL AND losing a certification at the same time. Coincidence? Doubtful. (we've already beaten it to death, there's a 10+ page thread about it.)

I'd happily use Pennzoil Platinum. In fact, that's what was used exclusively in my Phaeton for its first 110k miles before my dealer switched to Total and then Castrol.

Old version of M1 was not PAO, it was VISOM.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: dexos
The european M1 0W-40 meets LL-01 (I think it isn't GTL)

Yeah, M1 still sells old VISOM version in Europe due to LL-01 standards.

 

[ReadTheBook]

Wow sorry about the lack of any response everyone. Looks like I started a nice 4 page discussion. I made this post and completely spaced that I did so and never checked back.

Originally Posted By: CT8
You can pretty much run straight 30 in the Bay area year round Temperature wise. What is the problem with BP products?


Deepwater Horizon. I know too many people who were personally affected by this and the incompetence and dishonesty of BP throughout the cleanup was horrible.
It may seem silly, but I just can't in good conscience.