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#4171900 - 08/08/16 01:33 PM 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles
outoforder Offline


Registered: 06/07/09
Posts: 473
Loc: Ohio
TDI with 311,000 miles. I've used Blackstone previously for testing, but they do not quantify soot in samples. I'm not sure why my car shows so much soot in the oil. I know the purpose of diesel oil is to hold soot in suspension, but is my amount excessive?

Iron 77
Chromium 3
Nickel 1
Aluminum 13
Copper 6
Lead 1
Silicon 8
Sodium 5
Potassium 4
Molybdenum 29
Boron 100
Magnesium 681
Calcium 1747
Phosphorus 1018
Zinc 1269
Soot 0.9% E2421

Viscosity 100 C 15.6
Oxidation 20
Nitration 15
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#4171994 - 08/08/16 04:09 PM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: outoforder]
loneryder Offline


Registered: 04/19/14
Posts: 283
Loc: WV
To me that is a lot of iron for 3000 miles.

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#4172028 - 08/08/16 05:19 PM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: outoforder]
901Memphis Offline


Registered: 08/14/10
Posts: 12145
Loc: Northern Kentucky
That's not high. Some people say to condemn the oil around 3%
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#4172030 - 08/08/16 05:21 PM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: outoforder]
901Memphis Offline


Registered: 08/14/10
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#4185014 - 08/23/16 10:22 PM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: outoforder]
Provi Offline


Registered: 11/29/11
Posts: 314
Loc: Dunbar, WV USA
That iron level is high. My last UOA only showed 26ppm of iron at 14k with no mark up in my 02 TDI.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...ile#Post3799706
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#4185092 - 08/24/16 01:56 AM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: outoforder]
UltrafanUK Offline


Registered: 04/18/16
Posts: 985
Loc: England
Both the Iron and Aluminium figures are high for such a short OCI.

I would be inclined to make sure the oil flow around the top end is good by using a major brand oil flush additive that is designed for use at idle just before the next oil & filter change.

It might also be worth trying a can of Liqui Moly Ceratec to beef up the anti wear additives, to see if that reduces the wear metals. The wear seems to be top end related (The Lead figure is OK), so there is no point using a thicker oil.

PS: If you have any oil leaks flushing can make them worse for a while due to what they call the false oil seal effect, where sludge is helping a worn or split oil seal or gasket to function. In a bad case you might need to use a stop leak after flushing.


Edited by UltrafanUK (08/24/16 02:03 AM)
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#4186593 - 08/25/16 08:51 PM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: Provi]
KernelK Offline


Registered: 12/13/06
Posts: 136
Loc: PA
I wonder if the high iron is indicative of high cam wear that has plagued many of the TDI engines.

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#4191452 - 08/31/16 10:47 AM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: KernelK]
outoforder Offline


Registered: 06/07/09
Posts: 473
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: KernelK
I wonder if the high iron is indicative of high cam wear that has plagued many of the TDI engines.


I replaced the camshaft last March and iron does not appear to have changed much. The camshaft that was removed looks to be in decent shape for 309,000 miles.
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#4279306 - 12/19/16 04:32 PM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: KernelK]
k1rod Offline


Registered: 12/17/06
Posts: 289
Loc: Arizona
Originally Posted By: KernelK
I wonder if the high iron is indicative of high cam wear that has plagued many of the TDI engines.


It's an 03 so it would have an ALH engine. There has been no cam issues with the ALH. The ALH is probably one of the most rock solid engines VW has ever built. The start of the cam problems was with the BEW 2004.5 engines. The cam lobes in those engines were narrower and under tremendous pressure. Most oils don't have the film strength to hold up to these pressures.

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#4289302 - 12/30/16 08:54 PM Re: 2003 Jetta TDI Mobil 1 TDT 3000 miles [Re: outoforder]
Audios Offline


Registered: 11/19/11
Posts: 427
Loc: Lyndhurst NJ
My most recent report also showed high iron, on Shell Rotella T6. I believe I was in the 45 range though.
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