Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Like I mentioned in another thread, those greenies will be the first ones to scream bloody murder once they are unable to afford their electric bill or to charge their electric car. Of course they will be all surprised when it happens because they were always told half of the story that wind and solar are free. Some members in this and other threads are trying to give the full picture to the whole renewable energy movement, but as can be clearly seen, a lot of people simply do not want to listen, or do not understand the topic.
For an average Joe/Jane, he/she can easily picture free wind blowing or free sun shining during the day, so yeah, the energy captured should be very cheap. The moment you start talking about storage, transmission, peak times etc. they are totally lost.
Do you know the topic of this thread ? It is clearly stated:
"Solar power is getting cheaper every year"
Did you read my post above ?
DEWA's customers will not get 2.99 cents/kWh. But there is no evidence DEWA's customers will get raped after this 800 megawatts from solar get online in the near future.
DEWA does have enough power to supply its customers 24/7, this 800 megawatts is to replace some power plants when it is generate electricity, which is during daytime only. In the evening the idle plants will resume supplying power.
As of now DEWA didn't announced any plan of storage for this 800 megawatts of solar power.
The topic is very simple and clear, it is impossible to misunderstand, but you still have a hard time to understand what the topic is about.
Jimmy,
the problem is that you post links about stuff that you clearly have zero understanding of, then lecture other posted on the EXACT terminology that you used in an effort to railroad it back to "yes Jimmy, it's really really cheap and green to charge your Tesla isn't it ?", largely to prevent yourself from having to understand the topic.
Yes, when disruptive, it's cheap.
But As it forces tradition power out of the grid, Solar and Wind HAVE to step up to the plate, and provide actual power 24/7, and the grid stability that they (wind and solar) rely on the thermals providing for their very operation.
So discussion about 4 times the nameplate rating, and the expense of stoarge are ENTIRELY pertinent to a thread on "Solar Power is Getting Cheaper Every Year", as when you get your wish, it will be VERY VERY expensive, and the peak prices will be from storage, through the night, not when there's excess supply during the day.
It's pretty simple, have a think about what happens when coal is gone, and the sun only shines 8 hours a day.
I'm sitting here looking at the wholesale power prices here in Oz.
The two states that have gone massiveley for renewables, at 7PM on a Saturday night (that's pretty off peak) are sitting at 12.5c/KWh, and 31.5c/KWh wholesale prices. There's 1,500MW of wind that was here yesterday, and isn't today...The coal power stations that have closed down aren't re-opening, ever to replace it. They are replacing the coal power with another 500MW of wind...which agin would be producing nearly zero MW in the current wind.
The state that they are connected to running brown coal has been dragged up to 10.6c/KWh wholesale, as they are having to provide power to cover the power station closures that have taken place.
My state is sitting at 5c.
The discussion on how cheap solar is HAS to include discussion on what happens when it moves traditional power out.
Or (and again) you are burying your head in the sand, and living in an imaginary world.
