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#4049698 - 03/26/16 07:08 PM Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners?
SubLGT Offline


Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 2513
Loc: Idaho
I have been using PB Blaster for dealing with moderately rusted automotive fasteners and rusted joints and splines. So far so good.

But are there better products out there, that every DIYer should have?

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#4049700 - 03/26/16 07:14 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
Wolf359 Offline


Registered: 04/27/12
Posts: 3481
Loc: MA
Kroil.

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#4049701 - 03/26/16 07:17 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: Wolf359]
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Mix of ATF and acetone.
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#4049704 - 03/26/16 07:19 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: Wolf359]
mehullica Offline


Registered: 08/19/09
Posts: 518
Loc: Modesto,CA
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Kroil.
+100


Edited by mehullica (03/26/16 07:19 PM)

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#4049718 - 03/26/16 07:31 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 11/13/12
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+8643218764679 on Kroil.
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#4049726 - 03/26/16 07:45 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
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Loc: NE,Ohio
if kroil doesnt do it.. you usually need something more impressive... like a torch.
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#4049739 - 03/26/16 08:03 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: mehullica]
spasm3 Offline


Registered: 05/30/10
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Loc: North Carolina
Originally Posted By: mehullica
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Kroil.
+100


Kroil is the best i've used.
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#4049745 - 03/26/16 08:09 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Seafoam's Deep Creep has worked pretty well for me.
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#4049746 - 03/26/16 08:10 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: Wolf359]
Astro14 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Kroil.


+1
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#4049750 - 03/26/16 08:11 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
buck91 Offline


Registered: 04/17/12
Posts: 2304
Loc: West Michigan
Was never willing to pay the premium for kroil, finally broke down and bought a can last year. It really does seem significantly more effective than the pb blaster I used to use.

Liquid wrench works well, too. Not quite as effective as kroil.
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#4049772 - 03/26/16 08:36 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
ejes Offline


Registered: 01/11/16
Posts: 281
Loc: Kansas
Kroil (Aerokroil) here as well. Have tried others (PB, WD-40, Liquid Wrench, etc.), but Kroil has always worked better.

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#4049780 - 03/26/16 08:42 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
rooflessVW Offline


Registered: 12/24/11
Posts: 2851
Loc: North Carolina
ATF + acetone.
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#4049788 - 03/26/16 08:47 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: rooflessVW]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 9301
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
ATF + acetone.
+1

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#4049821 - 03/26/16 09:32 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
DerbyDave Offline


Registered: 10/27/15
Posts: 181
Loc: KS
On fasteners that permit it.. Copious amounts of heat
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#4049858 - 03/26/16 10:25 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
Leo99 Offline


Registered: 03/30/14
Posts: 2262
Loc: NJ
I use the WD40 rust penetrant. It's a special kind of WD40.
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#4049862 - 03/26/16 10:33 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Loc: SD
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#4049875 - 03/26/16 10:59 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 11/22/15
Posts: 285
Loc: Central Illinois - USA
Took a while to find it.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4012336/How_to_apply_ATF/Acetone_antis

Note also that “Liquid Wrench” is almost as good as “Kroil” for about 20% of the price.

Machinist’s Workshop Mag™ recently published some information on various penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts.
They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a “scientifically rusted” environment.

*Penetrating oil .......... Average load*
None ........................... 516 pounds
WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ............... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
ATF*-Acetone mix...............53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a “home brew” mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the “home brew” was better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with equally good results.
Note also that “Liquid Wrench” is almost as good as “Kroil” for about 20% of the price.
Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is the best and you can also use ATF- lacquer
thinner 50 - 50 mix

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#4049885 - 03/26/16 11:20 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
Stewie Offline


Registered: 02/03/15
Posts: 1367
Loc: Maple Syrup Land
ATF and acetone.

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#4049939 - 03/27/16 01:57 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: buck91]
Wolf359 Offline


Registered: 04/27/12
Posts: 3481
Loc: MA
Originally Posted By: buck91
Was never willing to pay the premium for kroil, finally broke down and bought a can last year. It really does seem significantly more effective than the pb blaster I used to use.

Liquid wrench works well, too. Not quite as effective as kroil.


If you buy it directly from Kanolabs.com, they have a buy one get one free offer so it's more like $6.75 a can plus shipping.

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#4050014 - 03/27/16 07:36 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 16458
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Kroil but for off the shelf stuff Liquid Wrench has been pretty good. The key to success with any of these products is allowing them plenty of wick time before tackling the fastener.
A good soaking left overnight or longer is probably the best.
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#4050398 - 03/27/16 05:02 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 03/31/10
Posts: 5353
Loc: Iowa
Torch or Mini-Ducter. If I need a lube, the ATF/Acetone.
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#4051970 - 03/29/16 12:38 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
HerrStig Offline


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 9552
Loc: Boston, MA
IF ATF and whatever is so good, why isn't it sold over the counter?

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#4052790 - 03/30/16 10:42 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: HerrStig]
rooflessVW Offline


Registered: 12/24/11
Posts: 2851
Loc: North Carolina
Because it is not a healthy mixture.

Breathing the vapors is not advisable.
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#4068946 - 04/14/16 10:13 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
Errtt Offline


Registered: 11/14/10
Posts: 2716
Loc: California
Have switched from PB to Kroil. Kroil is my new favorite.

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#4072560 - 04/18/16 03:34 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 09/25/04
Posts: 6040
Loc: Marshfield , MA
I mixed up a 50/50 mix of ATF and gas. Seemed to work ok. #2 fuel oil is pretty creepy stuff too.
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#4072688 - 04/18/16 06:40 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 3887
Loc: United States of America
Didnt the old timers melt a stick of wax on the problem threads?
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#4073478 - 04/19/16 03:31 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 04/18/16
Posts: 985
Loc: England
If something cheap like WD40 after heating fails, i would try one of the Liqui Moly sprays:

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produ...voiladb=web.nsf

CRC also make a few similar products.
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#4076441 - 04/22/16 12:33 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
Vikas Offline


Registered: 07/22/05
Posts: 11103
Loc: NorthEast
Is it better to spray on hot parts or on cold parts for soaking?

Also somebody (CRC ?) makes Freeze Off? How is that one?

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#4076462 - 04/22/16 01:06 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
thescreensavers Offline


Registered: 12/21/09
Posts: 353
Loc: Jupiter, FL
Liquid Wrench because it smells good and can find it cheaply locally and finally it did pretty well on the test posted above.
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#4081645 - 04/27/16 11:55 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
BigD1 Offline


Registered: 08/12/15
Posts: 2525
Loc: NC
I had a can of Kroil for years that worked good, but man that smell just will not go away. My brother needed some penetrating fluid for a mower he was working on, so I gave him the little bit that was left. Bought a can of Liquid Wrench, and it has been working very good, and does not stink like the Kroil.

I used Kroil on some nuts on a strut tower that was inside of my trunk, and it took over a week before the smell toned down inside of the car, and that was leaving the trunk open to air out too.
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#4096184 - 05/13/16 09:12 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
donvalley Offline


Registered: 02/18/15
Posts: 27
Loc: Toronto, Ontario
Tried several of the brand name penetrating oils, but found that ATF + Acetone (50/50) worked the best for me.

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#4101351 - 05/19/16 08:34 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: Wolf359]
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Registered: 12/09/07
Posts: 306
Loc: Owego, New York
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Kroil.
I'll up the ante one. My fav is SiliKroil (Kriol w silicone).
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#4172992 - 08/09/16 05:28 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
hyperscion Offline


Registered: 11/14/09
Posts: 117
Loc: oklahoma
Penetro 90.
Made by Schaeffers, is good stuff,it has helped me several times.

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#4178482 - 08/15/16 09:50 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: Gillsy]
buck91 Offline


Registered: 04/17/12
Posts: 2304
Loc: West Michigan
Originally Posted By: Gillsy
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Kroil.
I'll up the ante one. My fav is SiliKroil (Kriol w silicone).


2nd. Very rarely has this not done the trick, even up here in the Salt belt.
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#4182273 - 08/20/16 03:42 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 03/12/15
Posts: 8626
Loc: Southwest PA
PB Blaster works well for stuff I work on
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#4183504 - 08/22/16 09:39 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: Gillsy]
HerrStig Offline


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 9552
Loc: Boston, MA
Originally Posted By: Gillsy
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Kroil.
I'll up the ante one. My fav is SiliKroil (Kriol w silicone).
+1

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#4183815 - 08/22/16 03:46 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
AMC Offline


Registered: 10/17/10
Posts: 801
Loc: South Eastern, CT
I have tried a lot of them as well. Kroil seems to work the best for me.

Liquid wrench would probably be my second place. The ATF/Acetone mix didn't seem to be that great. Although the foaming, bubbling, aerosol action of the commercially made stuff does seem to help and maybe that gives it an advantage.
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#4184057 - 08/22/16 09:33 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
DP78 Offline


Registered: 08/22/16
Posts: 30
Loc: United States
GM heat riser lubricant. Although heat risers don't really exist anymore. It's a graphite based lubricant. It's important to shake well before spraying. I've soaked rusted to nothing bolts over night in a cap filled with it. Ate all the rust off and left the bolt usable.

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#4185149 - 08/24/16 06:42 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: DP78]
Kira Offline


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 3924
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
I'm emptying my can of Liquid Wrench and using my Kroil (my brother went to Nashville so NO SHIPPING!)
I always;
APPLY
HIT WITH WIRE BRUSH
REAPPLY
SEE YA TOMORROW

Blows my mind (not difficult) to see people spray then reach for a wrench. What are they thinking? This stuff ain't magic.

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#4186899 - 08/26/16 09:38 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 9552
Loc: Boston, MA
I have a well made little Westwood window fan. It had always made a slight dinging noise I couldn't cure, despite trying light Si grease, Mobil !, Rem oil for firearms, and some general purpose Tuffoil. One day, since my Kriol was nearby I gave both bearings a shot of Kriol. The noise went away. I thought: " This can't last". It's been a month, the fan runs 24/7 in hot weather and it's still quiet. Don't quite know waht to make of it.


Edited by HerrStig (08/26/16 09:40 AM)

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#4186912 - 08/26/16 09:59 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 04/17/12
Posts: 2304
Loc: West Michigan
Maybe the grease was getting dry and the kroil "re-wetted" it. I've done this before on light applications with Triflow and it has worked very well!
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#4186987 - 08/26/16 11:24 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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Posts: 9552
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I'm going to research sintered "oilless" electric motor bearings and see what I can learn. You might be right.

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#4189675 - 08/29/16 02:01 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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wouldn't a thin MT fluid work even better than ATF when combined with acetone? the viscosity of about 6-7 cst is more or less the same, but the Phosphor content is likely higher?
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#4191213 - 08/31/16 01:14 AM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: SubLGT]
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#4214578 - 09/29/16 06:33 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: Leo99]
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Registered: 09/29/16
Posts: 23
Loc: indiana
I tried deep creep about a year ago.it works far better than pb blaster.ill have to look for some kroil.

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#4215434 - 09/30/16 07:04 PM Re: Best Penetrating Oil for Rusted Automotive Fasteners? [Re: Toaster_Jer]
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Registered: 09/19/16
Posts: 1418
Loc: Minnesota
Originally Posted By: Toaster_Jer
Took a while to find it.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4012336/How_to_apply_ATF/Acetone_antis

Note also that “Liquid Wrench” is almost as good as “Kroil” for about 20% of the price.

Machinist’s Workshop Mag™ recently published some information on various penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts.
They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a “scientifically rusted” environment.

*Penetrating oil .......... Average load*
None ........................... 516 pounds
WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ............... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
ATF*-Acetone mix...............53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a “home brew” mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the “home brew” was better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with equally good results.
Note also that “Liquid Wrench” is almost as good as “Kroil” for about 20% of the price.
Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is the best and you can also use ATF- lacquer
thinner 50 - 50 mix

Looks like the same list the American blacksmiths guild did a few years ago
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