Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: gman2304
and the video clearly showing her hitting him 1st,
O.K.?????
Go watch the entire video. She is the 1st to make it physical.
In my opinion this is an ignorannt statement (IMHO..not implying you are ignorant). Obviously she is a tramp and a drunk. But to cold cock her like that when he could have held her at bay with one arm??? Are you remotely serious????? Do you realize how strong (comparatively) this guy is?
I weigh 140 and am 69 years old. I wouldn't have the slightest problem controlling a 120 pound woman.
So to you he was justified????
I don't believe my statement was ignorant. The facts are the facts. She struck him 1st. Twice actually( 2 separate instances with time in between )and then she charged him with clear intent( note how he tried to back away from her and she came after him ). IMO the whole you don't hit a woman thing goes out the window at that point.
Yes and no is my honest answer re: him being justified. IMO if I take all emotion out of it and simply look at who the aggressor is I see it being her and him striking her once, as he backed away trying to defuse as she charged at him, in self defense. People are too focused on the gender of those involved as well as him dragging her out after. Everyone just seems to ignore the fact she went after him multiple times before he defended himself with just ONE blow. He didn't beat on her multiple times, he didn't go after her once down, etc... She was hitting him and charging him and he hit her to stop her; once. She went after him and he has a right to defend himself regardless of his size vs. hers. A small woman can hurt a big man easily with a well aimed kick to the groin, fingernails to the eyes, etc... all while the man tries to restrain her.
Now with that said, I would like to think I would not cold cock her either and instead would try and restrain her or get away from her( hard to do in a closed elevator though - I actually wouldn't have got in it with her after she hit me before getting on to begin with though ). Can't say that I would remain calm enough to do that though in the heat of a long argument where she had already hit me a couple times and then charged at me as I was backing off out of control like that? Maybe I would, simply out of reflex, take one shot at her to back her off? Not being in those shoes it is hard to say if I would do what I would hope I would or if I would revert to basic instinct?
We also have to remember that those 2 get into it, physically, all the time by both of their own admissions. She herself has admitted she starts a lot of it and gives as good as she gets. So it seems to me that having sympathy for her is a big waste of time and emotion as she chooses to stay in that messed up relationship AND frankly she seems to be part of the violence problem as well. I will save my sympathy for real battered women. Not a woman who is a psycho and who instigates a lot of the violence.
Again, I don't consider my statements to be ignorant. I actually consider them well thought out. I take all the evidence into account and leave the PC driven emotion out of it. This was not a case of a man beating a woman. This was a case of a woman hitting a man 2X's then charging him as he backed off which led the man to finally take a shot at her.
I think Rice is a violent guy who most likely is a woman beater. However, his wife is not an innocent victim and thus I have little sympathy for her. Now, if they had just been having a verbal argument and he cold cocked her out of the blue that is totally different. That is NOT what happened in this case.
