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#3821129 - 08/13/15 09:36 PM SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L
jetman Offline


Registered: 12/15/10
Posts: 98
Loc: TX
I do extended oil changes and used oil analysis so we might all learn something and I find it interesting.

This is the 7th UOA I've done on this vehicle.

This analysis is about WalMart Super Tech 5-30w full synthetic . The oil is 8 mths old, w/10,000 miles. The vehicle is a 07 Toyota FJ Cruiser w/a gasoline 4.0L engine that has 142k miles since new. I didn't dump/change anything when I took this sample. I always wait to see the UOA results. No make-up oil was added, because it doesn't use any. The vehicle is my daily driver. We live in the country, so it doesn't see much stop and go driving.

Many yrs ago I put a TopDog brand engine oil bypass filtration system on that utilizes the Amsoil EaBP90 filter. This filter was last changed at the start of this oil run. The air filter is an Amsoil EaA238(discontinued) element with 57k miles since new. I blew it out again at the start of this run Over the yrs, I've looked for induction system leaks and tried 3 different brand air filters elements in hope of reducing the Si/silicon level, all without success.

As I suspected SuperTechs additive package was used up after only 10k miles(low TBN). All the previous UOA I've done was on Amsoil oils. Amsoil additive package is more robust so it last longer, roughly 15k miles. I personally don't like a TBN# below 2.0

After looking over the following results I changed the oil to Mobil1 5-30w? I'll see how it holds up. Will it holdup as well as Amsoil? Will it holdup longer than ST? I changed the full flow filter with another Fram XG8A. I left the Amsoil EaBP90 bypass filter element in place for another run.

LAB: Oil Analyzers Inc - OAI(Polaris)
LAB COMMENTS: TBN # is below acceptable levels. Abrasives (silicon/dirt) is at a MINOR LEVEL. Change oil and oil filter.
Code:
WEAR METALS-PPM   
Iron        28....14....12....7....21...17....19
Chromium    0......0....0.....0....0....0.....0
Copper      1......1....1.....0....1....0.....1
Tin         0......1....0.....0....0....0......0
Lead        0......0....0.....0....0....0.....0
Chrom       0......0....0.....0....0....0.....0
Nickel      0......0....0.....0....0....0.....0
Alum        5......6....7.....1....3....2....0
Silver      0......0....0.....0....0....0.....0
Cadmium     0......0....0.....0....0....0.....0
Vanadium    0......0....0.....1....0....0....0
CONTAMINANT METALS-PPM
Silicon     56.....70....43...32...33...37...38
Sodium      168....45....17...28...29...31...29
Potassium   4......2.....2....4....3....5....1
MULTI SOURCE METALS
Manganese   0......0....0....0.....0....0....0
Titan       0......0....0....0.....0....0....0
Molybdenum  2......0....0....0.....0....0....32
Antim       0......0....0....0.....0....0....1
Lithium     0......0....0....0.....0....0----1
Boron       6......4....3....1.....1....2....1
ADDITIVE METALS-PPM
Magnesium  14.....11....16....10....13....11....12
Calcium    3394..3531..4351..3589..3022..3520..2417
Barium     0......0......0.....0.....0....0.....0
Phosph     568...497....809...929...895..1037...643
Zinc       691...591....989..1130..1084..1236...757

V100C         10.9...10.8...12.7....14.3...15.2..12.7...10.2
I-R Oxidation 58......64.....61......25....67....50....27
I-R Nitra     39......41.....17.......9....18....18....15
TBN         2.66...2.18...2.48....2.35...1.89...2.22....1.43
Fuel         <1%......<1%...1.0-GC%..<1%....<1%...<1%...<1%
Soot Vol     <.1%....<.1%...<.1%....<.1%...<.1%..<.1%
Water Vol    <.1%....<.1%...<.1%....<.1%...<.1%..<.1%..<.1%

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#3821137 - 08/13/15 09:41 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 8311
Loc: Moving,not there yet.
Silicon 56.....70....43...32...33...37...38

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#3823498 - 08/16/15 12:59 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
garyb80 Offline


Registered: 09/07/03
Posts: 226
Loc: South Texas
That was interesting. Thanks for posting. I have the same 1GR-FE engine as you and was wondering how SuperTech Synthetic would do. I also use 10,000 mile OCI because it's easy to just reset the oil change light once at 5000 and change it the next time around. Looks like you got every bit of use you could safely get out of that oil.
One question though. I'm assuming the ST results is the column on the right. Is that correct?

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#3828364 - 08/20/15 06:43 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: garyb80]
jetman Offline


Registered: 12/15/10
Posts: 98
Loc: TX
Yes the ST is on the right.
Oldest on left, to newest on right

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#3828379 - 08/20/15 07:03 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
Al Offline


Registered: 06/08/02
Posts: 17033
Loc: Elizabethtown, Pa
I would try Blackstone. I am not believing the numbers for Ca., Boron and Sodium.

http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
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#3830415 - 08/22/15 08:54 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: Al]
Colt45ws Offline


Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 9068
Loc: Central Washington
Originally Posted By: Al
I would try Blackstone. I am not believing the numbers for Ca., Boron and Sodium.

http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm

I would trust it over 2 1/2 year old data.
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#3895684 - 10/24/15 09:25 AM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 10693
Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
Oil looks good for a "budget" syn, no excessive viscosity thickening(as seen in some amsoil UAOA), reasonable OXIDATION# ..
But,
Where the Boron in the analysis? STS uses no moly and a load of boron?


Edited by ARCOgraphite (10/24/15 09:27 AM)
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#3895951 - 10/24/15 03:29 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
Greasymechtech Offline


Registered: 07/11/14
Posts: 1544
Loc: Paradise of Florida
Supertech has different blenders, like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

Supertech full synth should be fine for any OE recommended interval. This UOA isn't bad but expected more with the larger oil capacity(XG8a + EABP90).

I'd want to go 15k, 20k, or more with a bypass setup. TBN just isn't there with supertech. What are the mileages on the previous runs? How often do you change the EABP?

You need particle counts to see how well that bypass is working.

Air filtration? try a Volant intake with the Donaldson Powercore filter and Volant prefilter.

How dark is oil after the 10k run?
Do you drain the EABP90 after a run?
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#3897473 - 10/26/15 08:46 AM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 10693
Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
AFAIK only WPP blends the synthetic in the USA.
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#3897798 - 10/26/15 02:12 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
meborder Offline


Registered: 04/27/14
Posts: 793
Loc: SD - South Dakota
Thank you for posting up the second most interesting UOA I've seen on this site.

Second only to the one with 30k and microgreen filters.
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#3898506 - 10/27/15 08:42 AM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
Greasymechtech Offline


Registered: 07/11/14
Posts: 1544
Loc: Paradise of Florida
Supertech is blended by Mobil, Citgo, Warren, and whoever is a lowest bidder for the area of a contract. Just verify the bottle to see the supplier.
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#3899997 - 10/28/15 01:48 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
salv Offline


Registered: 04/21/11
Posts: 1259
Loc: Cadyville, NY
This is the Citgo variety of ST. Good oil.
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#4276694 - 12/16/16 06:43 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: jetman]
veryHeavy Offline


Registered: 11/04/16
Posts: 479
Loc: MN, CA
Go back to the stock air filter.... but go with a quality brand (not Toyota). Your silicon levels will drop dramatically, because paper filters stop dirt better than oiled foam
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#4276746 - 12/16/16 07:45 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: veryHeavy]
FlyNavyP3 Offline


Registered: 07/04/16
Posts: 658
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Go back to the stock air filter.... but go with a quality brand (not Toyota). Your silicon levels will drop dramatically, because paper filters stop dirt better than oiled foam
.


I've always had exceptionally low Si levels with OE Toyota air filters. Not sure what the basis for not recommending a Toyota OE filter here is.
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#4278757 - 12/18/16 09:33 PM Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5-30w, 10k, Toyota FJ 4.0L [Re: ARCOgraphite]
dave1251 Offline


Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 8377
Loc: Maricopa, AZ
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
AFAIK only WPP blends the synthetic in the USA.


I would like to see the reasoning why people believe there is multiple suppliers for Super Tech. I can only find one API license for Super Tech.
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