New All-Weather tire from Michelin

[IndyIan]

Originally Posted By: SubLGT
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I must have been running a lot of very bad tires then.
Some results seem to close though.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=139


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=193
I see alot of overlap in the testing numbers between the two types of tires.




You can't compare the two sets of data. Testing was done with two different test vehicles, two different tire sizes, and very likely under different outdoor test conditions.

I assume it's the same test track, and warmer for the all seasons than the ice tires. It's a similar car too, not a vette and a corolla...
Probably those all seasons are better than the average tire sold nation wide too, on average cars atleast.
Also by your logic, any tire test not done with your car and tire size is irrelevant when buying tires for your car.

 

[SubLGT]

My logic is that if you want to compare the performance of different tires, you need to test them under conditions that are as identical as possible. Otherwise you introduce confounding variables.

 

[SubLGT]

The latest version of the CrossClimate is the CrossClimate+.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/What-changed-with-the-new-Michelin-CrossClimate-Plus.htm

Surprisingly, Tire Rack is selling it, but only in 17" sizes, according to the winter catalog I received today.

TR calls it a "grand touring all season" instead of "all weather".

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted By: SubLGT
CrossClimate+ Surprisingly, Tire Rack is selling it, but only in 17" sizes, according to the winter catalog I received today.

Its interesting the U.S. is finally getting this. Europe had it, and I notice from tirerack.com that its made in Spain.
Michelin is the best. Love their long-wearing, high performance xIce3. CrossClimate+ looks like its a great choice too.

 

[CapriRacer]

I note with interest that this thread was started 2 1/2 years ago.

I also note that Tire Rack does not currently stock the old CrossClimate that this thread was about. I looked up the Michelin website in the UK and they are there!

Best guess is that the CrossClimate didn't sell well, but Michelin talked Tire Rack into stocking the new tire - perhaps for their Canadian customers?

And about the *All Weather* designation. The term *All Season* is widely used and fairly well defined throughout the tire industry, as are the terms *Summer* and *Winter*. AW isn't and it shouldn't be a surprise not to see the term in use.

Besides, Michelin describes this tire as a summer tire with winter capability - but not as good as an All Season tire. I personally think AW means better winter capability than the average AS.

 

[UG_Passat]

Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
I note with interest that this thread was started 2 1/2 years ago.

I also note that Tire Rack does not currently stock the old CrossClimate that this thread was about. I looked up the Michelin website in the UK and they are there!

Best guess is that the CrossClimate didn't sell well, but Michelin talked Tire Rack into stocking the new tire - perhaps for their Canadian customers?

And about the *All Weather* designation. The term *All Season* is widely used and fairly well defined throughout the tire industry, as are the terms *Summer* and *Winter*. AW isn't and it shouldn't be a surprise not to see the term in use.

Besides, Michelin describes this tire as a summer tire with winter capability - but not as good as an All Season tire. I personally think AW means better winter capability than the average AS.


Michelin never made the CrossClimate available to the US market, hence why TireRack did not carry them.

Likewise, even though Goodyear has the Vectra 4-seasons in Europe, it was never available in the US market. Goodyear developed the Assurance WeatherReady specific for the US market.

 

[SubLGT]

TireRack is also now selling the "all weather" Vredestein Quatrac 5, in sizes of 15" to 20".

 

[UG_Passat]

Originally Posted By: SubLGT
TireRack is also now selling the "all weather" Vredestein Quatrac 5, in sizes of 15" to 20".



Don't see it on TireRack's Vredestein page:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/vredestein-tires.jsp

 

[SubLGT]

Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
...And about the *All Weather* designation. The term *All Season* is widely used and fairly well defined throughout the tire industry, as are the terms *Summer* and *Winter*. AW isn't and it shouldn't be a surprise not to see the term in use...


Canadians seem to like the "all weather" designation. ?

KAL Tire has an interesting chart showing what they believe are the the differences in performance..

https://info.kaltire.com/all-weather-vs-all-season-vs-winter-tires/

Quote:
All-weather tires are Canada's year round tire, while 3-season tires (formerly called All-season tires) are perfect for spring, summer and fall. For serious winter driving, you guessed it, winter tires are the way to go.

 

[SubLGT]

Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
TireRack is also now selling the "all weather" Vredestein Quatrac 5, in sizes of 15" to 20".



Don't see it on TireRack's Vredestein page:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/vredestein-tires.jsp


It is in their Inside Track Winter 2017 catalog I received in the mail yesterday.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

Originally Posted By: SubLGT
The latest version of the CrossClimate is the CrossClimate+.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/What-changed-with-the-new-Michelin-CrossClimate-Plus.htm

Surprisingly, Tire Rack is selling it, but only in 17" sizes, according to the winter catalog I received today.

TR calls it a "grand touring all season" instead of "all weather".


Goodyear's WeatherReady was also placed in the grand touring all-season category. In fact, Goodyear's new tire could also be the reason Michelin started selling the CrossClimate here. But since the CrossClimate is directional, I'd rather have the WeatherReady (which isn't directional)

 

[Bgallagher]

I don't care for the tread pattern.

 

[CKN]

Michelins are the greatest tires in the world-at what ever price you pay for then.

Dry rot included at no extra cost.

 

[UG_Passat]

I take it back, CrossClimate+ on TireRack for 2 tire sizes only

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=CrossClimate%2B

 

[mightymousetech]

Originally Posted By: SubLGT
TireRack is also now selling the "all weather" Vredestein Quatrac 5, in sizes of 15" to 20".



Cool! Good to know!