thanks everyone, I never thought about what you said Ray H about the fact that it could be just a dense filter. however I am concerned because the oil was very dirty and the engine obviously had varnish and it has the records for 3 to 5K oil changes for life however the majority was done at tire kingdom so who knows what they did, there appeared to be blue lock tight on the outside of the drain plug but none on the threads so unless to the drain plug developed a hole in it I have no idea why they used lock tight on there the plug fit very nice and snug. the car is very easy to change the oil on ( after we found where that little filter was anyway) I cant imagine taking it do tire kingdom. the car was Dr. owned so I know he had the money to pay to have the car taken care of but it was sooo easy we didnt even have to lift the car up. that engine was very dirty also looks like there might be a leak somewhere or just a lot has built up and nobody has probably ever cleaned it. oh well we will see thanks again everyone