Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km

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Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
LOL, I have a friend who drives a VW. He is a very talented guy in many disciplines, but clueless about cars. He came to visit me from out of state in his VW. I checked his oil and it was 1.5 qt low. He was shocked as he pays top dollars for service at VW service. He just had oil pan replaced due to leaks ($1500) and some other major work ($$$$) just outside warranty.

Now, when I bought my prius a couple of years ago he would tease me about a "guaranteed" major expense for a battery replacement. Ya, right! He spend more already repairing/servicing his POS VW (not mentioning his VW cost twice as much as my toyota).

My brother in law owns a shop in europe that only repairs VW turbos, injectors, and pumps. Huge demand and he constantly expends his business. They fail a lot, especially in city driving.


That you youself called him 'clueless' about cars kinda says something - at 1.5l low the oil wouldn't even be on the dipstick! And the oil light on the dash would be illuminated too! Sometime I think that people are in a competition with themselves to get as many lights on the dash as possible, its like they think its an acheivement or something!
Which car does he drive btw? Over a grand to change a sump-pan is...well...it's a main dealer doing what they know best! A sump&gasket of Ebay is like 20 or 30 notes lol! over a thousand?! The mind boggles!
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
Maybe the owners manual doesn't mention 'cool-down' because it's obvious? I knew about the need to let a turbo cool down before switching the engine off before I even started my driving lessons..some things are just obvious (IMO!) like checking tyre pressures and fluid levels and bulbs each week.

Good question. It should be obvious, and regardless of the cooling system, I would still give the thing an opportunity to cool down, just because that's what I've always done. Maybe VW/Audi just thinks it's too much of a hassle for customers and will turn them away from their turbo offerings.
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
Maybe the owners manual doesn't mention 'cool-down' because it's obvious? I knew about the need to let a turbo cool down before switching the engine off before I even started my driving lessons..some things are just obvious (IMO!) like checking tyre pressures and fluid levels and bulbs each week. Common sense.


Most people cant even open the hood on their car and they have no clue where the turbo is or what it do, If car manufacturers start to write all those things in the manuals the we car owners with more knowledge do to keep our car in good condition the potential buyers would start to think its a complicated car to own and drive or that the construction of the engine is not good when other cars do not need such many procedures to keep the car and engine healthy.
99% of the car owners want it to be simple to own and drive a car due to lack of interest in cars.
 
Originally Posted By: Mathson
Couldn't agree with you more. But then again why turbo cool down is not mentioned in a user's handbook if engine clearly benefits from it. Just a manufacturer's way of [censored] in customer's morning serial.

When it comes to my opinion about VW, I have had a bad experience in a form of timing chain failure and DSG failure in my 2009 Golf. Seems that technology goes backwards.
letting the car idle is a waste of fuel if you use a quality synthetic and coolant is still being pumped through the turbos. Many turbo systems use both oil and water. Coking isn't really an issue these days.
 
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted By: Mathson
Couldn't agree with you more. But then again why turbo cool down is not mentioned in a user's handbook if engine clearly benefits from it. Just a manufacturer's way of [censored] in customer's morning serial.

When it comes to my opinion about VW, I have had a bad experience in a form of timing chain failure and DSG failure in my 2009 Golf. Seems that technology goes backwards.
letting the car idle is a waste of fuel if you use a quality synthetic and coolant is still being pumped through the turbos. Many turbo systems use both oil and water. Coking isn't really an issue these days.

You do not need to idle the car unless you parked car in the garage driving at 6,000rpm just before you entered garage.
If you drive 1 mile prior to parking the car normally, turbo will cool off properly. I never push car 1-2 miles prior to parking the car.
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted By: Mathson
Couldn't agree with you more. But then again why turbo cool down is not mentioned in a user's handbook if engine clearly benefits from it. Just a manufacturer's way of [censored] in customer's morning serial.

When it comes to my opinion about VW, I have had a bad experience in a form of timing chain failure and DSG failure in my 2009 Golf. Seems that technology goes backwards.
letting the car idle is a waste of fuel if you use a quality synthetic and coolant is still being pumped through the turbos. Many turbo systems use both oil and water. Coking isn't really an issue these days.

You do not need to idle the car unless you parked car in the garage driving at 6,000rpm just before you entered garage.
If you drive 1 mile prior to parking the car normally, turbo will cool off properly. I never push car 1-2 miles prior to parking the car.


Correct. That is exactly what a Renault dealer told my dad when his car, a Scenic turbodiesel, started to have turbo problem.
He had seen a lot of engines having this kind of problems, always with about the same amount of kms on them, about 100.000kms if I remember correctly, and all were because the oil started cocking little by little in the pipes and after a while block the pipe and starve the turbo of oil.

Even nowadays you need to let the turbo cool a bit in the last few kms before shutting it down, or you will have problems in the long runs.

You can check french forums about that, it is explained in length, and a lot of dealers know that... and explain it to people who want to listen to it... which is the minority like some people already said.

Since they change cars every 5 years, they don't care that much, that is the second owner who have the problems.
 
The Saab owners manual I've read on one of their last cars said that after a long drive, keep the car running in park a couple minutes. It's a very hot engine compartment. Therefore, I guess they do sometimes still tell you to do this.

VW makes a very high quality product from what I have seen. I have had several as rental cars, and the materials, the way the car drives, the way things fit together, and all the suspension bits were beautiful. You can really tell a difference. Quality doesn't always mean perfect reliability. Honestly with the price of VW products and the products they offer, I don't know how the competitors compete. Passat versus a Camry or Accord, easy winner to me. Jetta versus a Sentra or Corolla? Tiguan versus Rav 4? The other cars are reliable, solid cars, but the VW option always feels oh so good by comparison, at least to me.
 
Where was this VW made? In the USA, it seems VW's made in Germany were usually better than ones made outside.

The difference becomes obvious when you regularly work with MKIV Jettas and B5/B5.5 Passats.

I like VWs because of the way the interior feels, and the way they take corners. If someone can put the dynamics if a VW into a car cheaper to maintain and repair, it would be amazing.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
……...My wife has 180,000 miles on a Subaru Legacy Turbo(VF40) that uses 4000 mile OCI. She NEVER has let it idle before shut off. OEM turbo was inspected recently and has no free play and in excellent condition as engine was out for a (burned) valve job.


Only 1 burned exhaust valve? Did you have a bad injector at that cylinder?
 
We used to cook the turbos on the mk1 Zafira with the 2.0 dti engine. Most cars had at least 1 turbo a year.

The mk2 Zafira treated the same way was much better, 1.9cdti Fiat engine, but they had egr valve and dpf issues instead.

The main difference between the two vehicles was that the mk1 was badly underpowered amd to drive moderately fast meant really pushing the engine.

The mk2 had more torque and power and also a 6 speed autobox instead of 4 speed autobox.

We never had any major issues with the 416 Sprinter Ambulances with the 2.7 diesel lump with 160 odd bhp.

But the 515 and 516 Sprinters with the 2.2 engine and with just under 150 and 160 bhp did have turbo issues apparently.

The harder you push a turbo to produce decent performance then the more likely you are to have issues with the turbo.

The 1.2 and 1.4 tsi engines are not known for reliability in the UK.

And i personally consider Ford products to be much better in terms of longevity than many VAG products.

Too many VAG products with school boy errors in terms of engineering.
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl

Too many VAG products with school boy errors in terms of engineering every component and system to be 100% idiot proof


There, I fixed it for you
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Maybe VAG think to themselves that they like to reward people who use the cars correctly with a very respectable life-span on their vehicles, and for the people who don't/can't follow procedure they get an unreliable car that breaks often.

It's like a manufacturer forcing evolution on it's customers - retention of the smart, survival of the fittest and dissuading of the careless/stupid.

Just a supposition..
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: bigjl

Too many VAG products with school boy errors in terms of engineering every component and system to be 100% idiot proof


There, I fixed it for you
wink.gif

Maybe VAG think to themselves that they like to reward people who use the cars correctly with a very respectable life-span on their vehicles, and for the people who don't/can't follow procedure they get an unreliable car that breaks often.

It's like a manufacturer forcing evolution on it's customers - retention of the smart, survival of the fittest and dissuading of the careless/stupid.

Just a supposition..

I would agree on this. VAG is way ahead of Ford in innovation, so there is reason why some errors are happening.
Though errors I saw on Ford's, especially in 90's are just ridiculous. Who can forget Escort and its wiring:)
 
Strong point of VW cars are interior finish that are superb for its class.Mechanically they are nothing special compared to other Euro cars
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
VAG is way ahead of Ford in innovation, so there is reason why some errors are happening.


+1. VAG are cars for enthusiasts, not a boring commuting appliance.

BTW, I enjoy my boring commuting appliance immensely.

I still remember the adrenaline rush when my junky car would quit in the middle of nowhere when I was young.
 
Altough that may well be in US,Euro Fords are far better drivers cars then VW.New Mondeo,Focus even a Fiesta drives great.This cars are engineered in UK and Brits know thing or two about handling.Pre Focus cars where disaster except Cosworth cars.VAG does have edge in engines though.
 
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Altough that may well be in US,Euro Fords are far better drivers cars then VW.New Mondeo,Focus even a Fiesta drives great.This cars are engineered in UK and Brits know thing or two about handling.Pre Focus cars where disaster except Cosworth cars.VAG does have edge in engines though.

We will see how that will go now when they departed with Mazda!
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Altough that may well be in US,Euro Fords are far better drivers cars then VW.New Mondeo,Focus even a Fiesta drives great.This cars are engineered in UK and Brits know thing or two about handling.Pre Focus cars where disaster except Cosworth cars.VAG does have edge in engines though.

We will see how that will go now when they departed with Mazda!


The current models have no connection to Mazda.
 
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Altough that may well be in US,Euro Fords are far better drivers cars then VW.New Mondeo,Focus even a Fiesta drives great.This cars are engineered in UK and Brits know thing or two about handling.Pre Focus cars where disaster except Cosworth cars.VAG does have edge in engines though.


You are correct and the US models now days are the same as what europe gets. It will take a while before the general population realizes the differences in the new Fords.
 
A bit of topic but my good friend drives Graham Goode Focus St 2.5 Volvo engine and that thing is monster.Effortless speed of that thig is amazing on road and on track.Mk 5 and 6 Golf GTI are joke compared to Ford.Only fwd that may be faster is Renaultsport Megane 265.
 
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