why people hate ford?

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Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
The 1.9 was designed by Mazda and built by Ford.


No. Refer to Spazdogs post for more info. (also stamped steel rocker arms lol)
If you're operating off of a source, and not just making that up, post it up for poops and giggles.

1.9L CVH has nothing to do with Mazda, other than being installed into their BG platform design and mated to their 4 speed auto- F4A-EL with CVH bellcasing pattern used in North American Escort.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog

No, that's irony.

Ford sent Hitler 50,000 Deutsch Marks every year on Hitler's birthday. That's verifiable.



Priceless!


This is in fact a very heavy issue that took me many years to even begin considering. It's indeed quite disconcerting, this story, and people would soil their jockey shorts to really know how many prominent figures, were, and still are now, nazis (come from nazi roots, cling to nazi values) and there's a saying that goes something like 'a leopard doesn't change it's spots'. The nazis never lost WW2- they just dispersed and cleverly integrated. Most of the current actions and efforts of the resulting institutions, when examined very closely and fundamentally, result in death, illness, genocide war, disease, extortion (taxes/fines) and oppression; the complete opposite of their outward appearance- ie health, medical, government, safety, banking, charity orgs.

Of course it's not obvious to see, you have to step back, shake off the conditions and belief systems that were solicited to you and accepted without a second though- (if we understand language, we all have these) put all those preconceptions of normalcy aside, and look at the bare cause-effect model in front of you. I won't go into much more detail. {removed rant that was messing up formatting of page}

These institutions operate on severe and secure concentric rings of "compartmentalization", where less then 1% know the true intentions and call the shots. The labour force producing for these people are regular people and think they are doing good and helping- and they're not about ready to think any differently. The levels of compartmentalization are highly advanced and was done so by the nazis during the WW2 era itself. During the war, these people owned science (and still do- where are the major chemical companies located? BASF? IG FARBEN? etc). They spent a lot of time and resources (and lives) conducting this research- the research of CONTROL; the control of information, the control of minds, the control of desires. This area of science is now one of the most advanced - ever.

A direct symptom of why 'things' seem to keep getting worse, and not better, despite knowing that they should be getting better. Fluoride in the water since WW2 era, mercury being refined and integrated into populations-one fluorescent tube can gas a huge amount of people- mercury vapour poisoning is subtle and mostly undetected by the injured) Vaccines have clever organomercuries installed in those things. How many of you have mercury IN YOUR MOUTH off gassing vapour for your whole life?
This is progress- autism exploding exponentially, alzheimers/dementia/parkinsons/memory loss/irrationality/ ie more syndromes and diseases rooted specifically in neurological injury, then the political side of economic dependency (food stamps, welfare), while continuing to extort the working man more and more with taxes and inflation to the point he breaks. It's not a mistake, all this degeneration.

If you have time and curiosity,
Google the symptoms of mercury vapour poisoning.
Google the symptoms of cumulative fluoride poisoning.
Google the history of using fluoride as a drug and effects on IQ, self-direction, motivation and complacency.
Google the Prozac molecule, not the fluorine molecule and read it's product sheet about suicidal thoughts and psychological effects.
Google fluoride's affinity to bind to Iodine receptors, displacing it, causing thyroid problems, and thusly weight problems. Are people getting fatter? Dumber?
With fluoride displacing iodine, how about iodine? It's the most common deficiency?
"Iodine deficiency is the single most common cause of preventable mental retardation and brain damage in the world." Is that true? Does fluoride displacing iodine in biology have any relation?
How about the ADA/CDA's INSISTENCE on fluoride being self-medicated by people each day via toothpaste and lobbying (successfully) for water fluoridation in certain areas.
While you're on google, find out the electronegativity of fluorine, as an element and compare it to every other element on the table.
Go to wal mart and go to the water section, look for a jug of baby distilled water that's been redoped with fluoride.

As many 'traps' as there are for us to fall from, the use of fluoride and mercury as drugs and population control agents is borne directly out of nazi science; look around, notice anything? What is going on here?

But I digress. Yup H. Ford nazi sympathizer/association one of the best known (relatively) examples that got out of the bag, but NOT close to being the only one we now "know and trust" that have secret, inverse interests than what we would imagine and have believed.

Disclaimer: the previous post is a work of fiction and is in no way related to similarly named entities in real life
 
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Originally Posted By: Spazdog

No, that's irony.

Ford sent Hitler 50,000 Deutsch Marks every year on Hitler's birthday. That's verifiable.


First I've ever heard of it.....
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Do you have any references to it other than this book:

Quote:
Who Financed Hitler; The Secret Funding of Hitler's Rise to Power 1919-1933, James Pool and Suzanne Pool,


As it is the only one referenced in both links that were posted.

Also, found this quote from the 2nd link posted:

Quote:
Thomas Edison, the famous electrical inventor, and Henry Ford were friends who saw eye to eye on anti-Semitic issues, and Thomas Edison's widow was an ethusiastic supporter of Frank Buchman's groups. She was often quoted by the Buchmanites as saying, "MRA, like my husband's light, must go to every home in the world."


So I guess we need to hate him now too?
 
As a Ford truck guy, in all honesty I think Henry Ford was a nut job and had a screw loose. Dude had some really crazy ideas and world views. He probably could have/would have been institutionalized had he not been smart enough to develop affordable cars. The Nazi sympathies, Harry Bennett (his company thug), etc. kind of point to him being not very rational and definitely a nasty person to a lot of people.

He made his own son, who was a pretty decent hard working person, absolutely miserable. Edsel Ford had stomach ulcers and a laundry list of other health issues due to the pressure his father put on him. Nothing Edsel did was ever good enough, despite Edsel actually being very competent and sane compared to his father.

Henry Ford did lay a lot of the groundwork for North America's auto industry, but I don't really idolize him. It just so happens that from about 1967 to about 2011 the company he founded built trucks that I really like. Those trucks are the products of other people, who will never make it into history books.
 
Originally Posted By: John_K
Every Ford vehicle I ever owned, or had a friend own, has been a total pile of garbage.

John

Every Ford vehicle I ever owned, or had a friend own, has been a great vehicle.
 
I dunno. I kind of like it, but Fords have kind of weird cars these days---Like that gigantic center console on the Taurus. What's with that? Or the Flex. I understand its a wonderful car, but unless you happen to hold an engineering degree, you won't even test drive it. I mean, who thought it was a good idea to build 9/7ths scale Corvair station wagon? How did it even occur to someone?

Not every car Ford makes is a great car. Not every car is reliable. But they try, that's obvious. Their cars aren't designed or marketed by committee, that's also obvious. At least not by very big committees. Fords are designed by pretty talented engineers with pretty strong opinions.

Do yourself a favor. If you get a Ford, buy the extended fatory warranty "ESP" from an on line seller. Ford is almost unique in that they allow any dealer to sell extended warranties to any buyer. So they are pretty cheap. Say $700 bucks or so for a 100K basic warranty.

Like my F-150. No problems.
 
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Acronyms, born of the 80s, IIRC, as to OP's question:

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Weird.. I didnt know my S-10 was a Ford.
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Yep. While 98% of Chevy trucks made within the past twenty years are still on the road. The other 2% made it home OK.
 
Every car mfgr makes lemons. Every single one. Many of the horror stories we all hear on the Net are amplified and repeated to death. Plus most could be quickly and easily resolved at the stealership but just aren't!

Doesn't matter which brand. I have nothing against Ford, they just don't allow their trucks to be used in our duty cycle. That's what put us on the GM train...
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Spazdog

No, that's irony.

Ford sent Hitler 50,000 Deutsch Marks every year on Hitler's birthday. That's verifiable.


First I've ever heard of it.....
21.gif


Do you have any references to it other than this book:

Quote:
Who Financed Hitler; The Secret Funding of Hitler's Rise to Power 1919-1933, James Pool and Suzanne Pool,


As it is the only one referenced in both links that were posted.

Also, found this quote from the 2nd link posted:

Quote:
Thomas Edison, the famous electrical inventor, and Henry Ford were friends who saw eye to eye on anti-Semitic issues, and Thomas Edison's widow was an ethusiastic supporter of Frank Buchman's groups. She was often quoted by the Buchmanites as saying, "MRA, like my husband's light, must go to every home in the world."


So I guess we need to hate him now too?



I don't hate him. Just an ironic bit of history. "Here's your birthday check Adolph...oh, and we are turning out one bomber per hour to [mess] your [stuff] up."
Ford was able to ship precision machining equipment from neutral Switzerland through Nazi occupied France to Manchester, England during the war.
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They ultimately built more supercharged V12 engines than Rolls Royce as a result.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
As a Ford truck guy, in all honesty I think Henry Ford was a nut job and had a screw loose. Dude had some really crazy ideas and world views.

Well, I think that's quite common among people of genius or vision, or whatever you want to call it. Today's media savvy (or media sensitive) world would have a media consultant taping Ford's mouth shut for anything not related to auto production. I'm sure there are plenty of bizarre ideas among big names in the world today (and little names, too), that we just don't hear about because of careful editing by associates.

As for Fords, I've had good luck with them. I just find the current Ford lineup to be a little spread thin. The pendulum has swung too far. At one point, there were clearly too many four door RWD six occupant V-8 sedans between Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln. Now, there are clearly way, way too few.
 
In regards to Ford, they are the only one of the "Big 3" that I have had good luck with. In my experience, they are the only one out of that group that I have found that offer good manufacturer support after the sale.

However, IMO, they do appear to be losing their way in some regards. In regards to their current offerings, they just seem to be lacking. Taurus as the flagship Ford offering, really? When I cross shopped that against an Accord and found that I had more usable interior space in an Accord and could save 8K in the process and the only thing that I would really lose would be a V6, ( I realize that this is not really an apples/apples thing but I was shopping leftover '12's last November) it really was an easy decision. BTW, I think the Taurus is a sweet looking car and I am a Ford man. The only three Ford products that I like right now are Mustangs (and they are about to ruin that in '15), Taurus, and the F series pickups (and I'm not so sure that would be my first choice in pickups right now.)

QC in Fords was never really fantastic but with all the information coming out about transmission issues and My Ford Touch, the obvious lack of design preparation and testing is glaring especially given the current Ford pricing. Ford got it back together under their current management but I feel the pendulum is swinging back the other direction again.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I have nothing against Ford, they just don't allow their trucks to be used in our duty cycle


Please explain
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Spazdog

No, that's irony.

Ford sent Hitler 50,000 Deutsch Marks every year on Hitler's birthday. That's verifiable.


First I've ever heard of it.....
21.gif


Do you have any references to it other than this book:

Quote:
Who Financed Hitler; The Secret Funding of Hitler's Rise to Power 1919-1933, James Pool and Suzanne Pool,


As it is the only one referenced in both links that were posted.

Also, found this quote from the 2nd link posted:

Quote:
Thomas Edison, the famous electrical inventor, and Henry Ford were friends who saw eye to eye on anti-Semitic issues, and Thomas Edison's widow was an ethusiastic supporter of Frank Buchman's groups. She was often quoted by the Buchmanites as saying, "MRA, like my husband's light, must go to every home in the world."


So I guess we need to hate him now too?



I don't hate him. Just an ironic bit of history. "Here's your birthday check Adolph...oh, and we are turning out one bomber per hour to [mess] your [stuff] up."
Ford was able to ship precision machining equipment from neutral Switzerland through Nazi occupied France to Manchester, England during the war.
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They ultimately built more supercharged V12 engines than Rolls Royce as a result.


I suppose it is a bit ironic. However before Hitler's attempt to take over the world and the subsequent global conflict that followed, they shared a common anti-semitic view, which was, as much as we perhaps don't like to admit, fairly popular during that time period with many famous people like, apparently, as noted above in that quote I cited, Thomas Edison for example.

It is, IMHO, however a rather large leap from disliking a specific ethnic group (for whatever reason) and exercising genocide against them. Ultimately this resulted in the Nazi's being viewed differently by people who were perhaps their fans or at least could identify with their cause/views before the war.

Also, if the cheque thing is true, did it carry on after the Americans were involved in the conflict that would become WWII? I would wager that it didn't. Things changed once the Nazi party started getting extreme and even as loopy and prejudice as Ford was, I don't think he was an advocate of genocide.

I could be wrong of course though.
 
I generally like Ford but I tell you what will make you hate them. My Ford Touch. I swear on a bible I dont know who invented it but they should be taken to trial. Also, why in Gods name cant Ford put real gauges in their cars and trucks instead of glorified idiot light guages?
 
I've bought four Fords, and four Jaguars while Ford owned the company, so I've been a pretty good customer.

But, they no longer make anything I want to buy. Their mainstream cars seem clearly outclassed by GM. An Aston grille on everything gets old. Lincoln is a joke and an embarrassment. The last decent car it had was the S-Type knock off. It's not even in the same league as Cadillac.

Premium European cars? Nothing.

So I don't see any more Fords in my future.
 
Most toyotas are American made anyway as for quality i like Hyundai and i also like american made cars and trucks, The japenes cars are not what they were 15-20 years ago.
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I have nothing against Ford, they just don't allow their trucks to be used in our duty cycle


Please explain


I must correct myself. For DECADES Ford has published a strict guideline that stated specifically that their trucks could not be used as stationary power sources. Our trucks sit in the driveway running either 1500 or 1750 rpm, this voids their warranty from Ford.

Just this last year our supplier has begun converting Fords. I am not clear how many warranty waivers you may have to sign to get one. The Factory Authorized Upfitter we use has a long relationship with GM and thus guarantees us normal warranted coverage of everything NOT part of our conversion.

Since our GM products have proven to be very reliable and have excellent resale value we are married for economic benefit. If Ford were to step up with a significant cost of ownership advantage we would quickly adopt them as our vehicle supplier.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I must correct myself. For DECADES Ford has published a strict guideline that stated specifically that their trucks could not be used as stationary power sources. Our trucks sit in the driveway running either 1500 or 1750 rpm, this voids their warranty from Ford.

Does that apply to the diesels, too? As I recall, at least sometime in the recent past they had PTO provisions.
 
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