why people hate ford?

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Weird.. I didnt know my S-10 was a Ford.
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I'm a Ford F150 4x4 owner. It's a great truck, and perfectly reliable, tough and capable.

However, "IF" I were in the market for a family car, I'd purchase a Camry/Accord.

Sites like "truedelta.com" have real world, long term, reliability information. Clearly, Toyota comes out on top, with Honda not far behind. Ford cars are much less impressive.

I've owned troublesome cars. I try to avoid that situation using the information available.
 
Originally Posted By: taurus_sable
what's wrong with american cars?


In general, nothing.

Originally Posted By: taurus_sable
He said he owned 2 tauruses before and now owns toyotas.


This probably answers your question. He used to own two and now owns other brands. The reasons for that could be many, but I would say that it's likely that he had bad luck with those two.

People out there hate Ford, and people out there hate Chevrolet. People out there hate Dodge and Chrysler. People hate Honda, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. There's a trend here: for any given brand out there, there is a group of people who have owned it and will swear to never own it again because of any number of reasons.

It is interesting to read all the anecdotes, but they really don't make a hill of beans in the big picture. Almost anything you buy today will be "good" and "reliable". Choose based on subjective measures: do you like the engine, do you like the styling, do you like how it drives, etc.
 
I've decided after being loyal to Ford my whole life but having significant troubles with my latest ones that I need to broaden my horizons and just look for the best value out there and the best driving car at each car purchase. I like the idea of two of the same brand in my garage, but I'm probably one of the very few that thinks that's kinda cool. So when trading in our '06 Explorer and determining the new Durango pretty much beat the new Explorer in every comparison test I saw (plus the current gen Explorer's rampant steering rack woes), I bought my first Dodge and my first non-Ford since my very first car; a 12 year old Chrysler Cordoba. Yes, with the rich Corinthian leather.
 
Having purchased my first Ford about 6 months back (2013 Explorer) I have a little input on this.

I think people that have owned Ford or GM their whole life have no idea how much better other manufacturers can design and build vehicles compared to some of the domestics.

Not saying my Ford is a POS or anything but the overall execution of the vehicle, especially the build quality is sad. The drive train seems solid but even my brand new Explorer has lots of little "quirks". Things like a ticking noise in the drive line somewhere over 40MPH, squeak in the dash, rattle in the cargo area, lots of paint defects or [censored] in the paint under the clear coat, a burning smell under hard acceleration ( well documented on the explorer forums), the way they just fold the outer door skin around the inner without any seal on the lip(that'll be rusty in a few years in MN), misalignment of interior and external body panels..... Just lots of little things that makes you scratch your head on how it passed QA!

Will I look at Ford again when this lease is up? Sure. Would I buy one as a long term vehicle? Don't think so.

Owning a domestic after owning almost 100% foreign makes over the past 15 years really opens your eyes to the differences in design and build quality between the makes. I could go on and on, if anyone has specific questions let me know!
 
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I've never understood why people get so bent-out-of-shape when it comes to what other people are driving. The trolling posts about vehicle recalls are usually the epitome of this.
 
Yes

They went a number of years ignoring the rotted frames, co-worker had a Taco and could not get a sticker, dealer told him to pound sand, Toy rep came out and looked at it, told him to pound sand. He scrapped the truck for parts but was pretty upset, later he jumped thru hoops to get some money out of Toyota when they finally did own up, but they only owned up because they were launching the new Tundra, they really could of cared less when they werent getting the bad press.

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Trav
No more Fords in my family after the way Ford treated my father when the frame broke in half on his just out of warranty Ranger 4x4.
Fords response was NE winters and salt. Not even $1 off a new truck.

Toyota was buying back Tacoma trucks much older than his Ford to make good on rotten frames made by the same supplier.

Its not the vehicle, every vehicle can have trouble but its the way the manufacturer handles it down the road.
Toyota handles legit problems quickly and fairly, Ford tells you to go scratch your behind with a broken bottle.


IIRC it took a class action lawsuit to get Toyota to acknowledge both the frame rust issue AND the sludge issue. They just didn't pop up one day and starting voluntarily recalling things
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Originally Posted By: Cujet
I'm a Ford F150 4x4 owner. It's a great truck, and perfectly reliable, tough and capable.

However, "IF" I were in the market for a family car, I'd purchase a Camry/Accord.

Sites like "truedelta.com" have real world, long term, reliability information. Clearly, Toyota comes out on top, with Honda not far behind. Ford cars are much less impressive.

I've owned troublesome cars. I try to avoid that situation using the information available.


I can't take Truedelta too seriously, what are their reporting criteria? What obligates all owners of vehicles to report visits? Are people of certain brands more likely to complain than others? For example, someone with a Honda has a small issue, and thinks "eh, it's a Honda, I'll let it slide, it was just a seatbelt tensioner" whereas someone with a Ford reports "Ah ha, I knew it! Ford sucks, my new Ford is failing! A headlight bulb shouldn't burn out in 1 week of ownership! ARG I'm going to tell the world how [censored] Ford is".

I just find it odd, some of those reviews.
 
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Acronyms, born of the 80s, IIRC, as to OP's question:

Found
On
Road
Dead

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

censored
Only
Runs
Downhill

Weird.. I didnt know my S-10 was a Ford.
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you forgot
F'd
Over
Rebuilt
Dodge

F***ed
On
Race
Day

and just to show some fairness to the Imports
Fix
It
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Tony

I know today's Fiat is much better than the fiat of the 70's, just wanted to share the "love" as it were.
 
Completely agree with you, all vehicles have small issues. I just find it a tad ridiculous for a new vehicle to have so many issues ( although minor) from the get-go.

I guess maybe it could be that the typical Ford/Chevy or Dodge owner isn't picky compared to a Honda/Toyota/Nissan owner??

It's hard to come from even my last new car, a Hyundai that was issue free for 5 years, to a current Ford with so many issues..err.."quirks" that it's almost comical. After experiencing domestic ownership I kind of get the whole stigma they carry now.

Again, not slamming on domestics, they have their place I guess. They are just a different animal than my past foreign car ownership experiences. I do enjoy certain aspects of my Ford over my foreign cars such as the design and the way it delivers its power, very nice.
 
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Originally Posted By: Cujet

Sites like "truedelta.com" have real world, long term, reliability information. Clearly, Toyota comes out on top, with Honda not far behind. Ford cars are much less impressive.


I wouldn't put much faith in True Delta. Wasn't until very recently that they stopped counting any trip to the dealer as an issue. You can go to the dealer for something and it not affect reliability in any way. For example, it's a known issue that 2010-2012 (they redesigned it for 13) Taurus SHO's have issues with the chrome peeling on the tail lights. I'm on my 3rd set which has held for almost 2 years now. According to True Delta that would be a reliability problem. Yet it affected nothing at all!
 
Originally Posted By: Huie83

Owning a domestic after owning almost 100% foreign makes over the past 15 years really opens your eyes to the differences in design and build quality between the makes. I could go on and on, if anyone has specific questions let me know!



Just curious what mainstream makes have this great build quality? I had an 04 Infiniti G35 and it's got no better or worse build quality than my SHO. Many of the complaints you have on the Explorer were present on the Infiniti forums about the G35. And that was a car they made in Japan for a few years before it came to the USA. At that time Infiniti was #2 or 3 in Reliability. I thought that car was a great car and it was very reliable for me - just got tired of the 6MT in traffic.
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
And we all know that the Modular family has been one of, if not the longest lasting family of gasoline engines ever produced....
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^^This was Ford`s biggest mistake,discontinuing those engines. BEST V8 ever made imo. Darnint OVERKILL,you made me put my foot right back in my mouth,grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!


The new 5.0 is part of the Modular family.


I might be mistaken, but I seem to remember reading that the term "Modular" in relation to Ford engines only had to do with the production process at the engine plant and not of any relationship of the engine designs with each other.

Basically the "Modular" portion came into play at the engine plants because the tooling was what was actually "modular" and they could change out tooling modules when switching to another engine design to build that day or week.
 
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I'll probably take some heat for this, but my experience with newer Ford engines, especially aluminum cylinder heads, is enough for me to steer clear-modulars launching spark plugs, chunks of aluminum falling off 1.6 Escort heads, valve seats falling off 1.9 Escort heads, and blown head gaskets at low mileages. Add the tendency of the dealers to "gloss over" problems (until they're out of warranty & can make big $ off the issues)-NO THANKS!


The valve set dropping issue is really a Mazda issue, since they designed that engine.

My 1985 and 1995 Escorts both suggest they they are very reliable cars.
 
Originally Posted By: taurus_sable
what's wrong with american cars? I own a used mercury sable and need replacing it.


Well, you own a 2005 w/ 109k miles and "need replacing it". That right there is not a glowing endorsement.

I don't see a need to replace either of the cars in my signature for many years (if I want to), and one was even made in the USA.

I really thought that this was an old thread, based on the title, though. Geez, how many times must we rehash the same premise?
 
"Just curious what mainstream makes have this great build quality? I had an 04 Infiniti G35 and it's got no better or worse build quality than my SHO. Many of the complaints you have on the Explorer were present on the Infiniti forums about the G35. And that was a car they made in Japan for a few years before it came to the USA. At that time Infiniti was #2 or 3 in Reliability. I thought that car was a great car and it was very reliable for me - just got tired of the 6MT in traffic."


All of my foreign vehicles trumped the Ford in build quality/fit and finish. My last VW, Honda and Subaru didn't have squeaks or rattles, bubbles/junk in the paint in multiple spots, dash that doesn't line up with the top of the doors like designed,rear hatch with gaps biger on one side, chrome chipping off radio knobs from the factory or drive train noises after only 4.5K miles. They were all perfect from the factory and none had any weird issues during my ownership.

That's my point, it's all the small stuff that adds up. What could be a nice vehicle is ruined by what seems like a shoddy QA process. I'm not hating on Ford, I think they design some cutting edge stuff, I just think that one can get more quality for their money elsewhere.

I will look at Ford again in a few years when car shopping but this time I will be inspecting the vehicle I pick lot closer. I've never had to do that before but live and learn!
 
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Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
And we all know that the Modular family has been one of, if not the longest lasting family of gasoline engines ever produced....
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^^This was Ford`s biggest mistake,discontinuing those engines. BEST V8 ever made imo. Darnint OVERKILL,you made me put my foot right back in my mouth,grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!


The new 5.0 is part of the Modular family.


I might be mistaken, but I seem to remember reading that the term "Modular" in relation to Ford engines only had to do with the production process at the engine plant and not of any relationship of the engine designs with each other.

Basically the "Modular" portion came into play at the engine plants because the tooling was what was actually "modular" and they could change out tooling modules when switching to another engine design to build that day or week.


Yes, the name for the family came from the modular tooling. But with respect to the 4.6L, 5.4L and V10, they all ended up sharing major key components like pistons, rods, cam lobes (remember, they are pressed onto hollow shafts, the cams aren't ground like an old Windsor cam) HLA's.....etc.

The Modular family includes the 4.6L, 5.4L, 6.8L V10 and now the new 5.0L Coyote and Roadrunner engines as well as the 5.8L for the Shelby.

There's a decent WIKI on it too:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Modular
 
Originally Posted By: KD0AXS
Those darn Fords, they just don't last.

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Very nice! Is this your Superduty?

I've always been a Ford guy myself and have found them to be good vehicles. There were a few bad ones, but that's a thing of the past IMO.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: taurus_sable
what's wrong with american cars? I own a used mercury sable and need replacing it.


Well, you own a 2005 w/ 109k miles and "need replacing it". That right there is not a glowing endorsement.

just clarify my car has no big problem.. just need a newer car.
 
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