why people hate ford?

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I had a bad Ford experience, but still buy domestics, as the American trucks are better (IMO) than foreign makes. Also, from my experience, domestic parts are cheaper and easier to find. I have many friends who love their Fords and haven't had any problems, so I would give them another chance one day.
 
My last and final Ford was a 2000 Focus zx-3, it was a fun car, but not a good car. Lots of problems, not ones you normally hear about on first year Foci.

My prior Ford disappointments were.

1994 Taurus, lost A/C and Transmission at 85K, Sluffed that one off on the dealer when I bought the Focus.

1986 Taurus, rusted through in many places in less than 4 years, Ford would not fix. Rust was there in warranty, but not rusted through. ECM failed several times. Front suspension bushing replaced several times. would not quit "grunting" as the dealer called it. A/C needed servicing every season. Always pulled to the right, no one could get it aligned right. Six months after I traded it, it was sold locally and the tranny went out. A young kid bought it.

1986 Tempo Sport - Biggest POS I ever made. My 1973 Vega was 10 times the car the Tempo ever dreamed of being. Example- the entire right side of the dash came undone from the firewall and broke about 10 expensive things. Was without car for 3 weeks while they attempted to fix it. Car was never right and traded it in on the 1986 Taurus listed above.

1978 Granda- Barely OK but had lots of repairs in and out of warranty.

1970 Ford Maverick- My first car, great 250 CID straight six. Rest of car horrible. The only thing holding the front and rear together was the driveshaft. Good thing it wasn't FWD. Can you say RUST everywhere.

So after 6 Fords, 4 of them new..and 6 non-caring dealers, my loyalty for domestic makes was gone, never to return.
 
It is usually is based on personal experience rather than just opinion but not always. If you had a Ford, or any brand, that was trouble and needed work all the time or left you stranded then odds are you will look elsewhere brand wise the next time you shop for a car. Think of going to a restaurant and having a lousy dinner. Would you go there again? Probably not since there are many choices. Same thing with cars.
 
Ford is definitely more competitive today than they were in the past. I think the data shows Ford to be around the middle of the pack in overall reliability. Trucks are good. In each car segment though, I usually tend to prefer the Japanese brand equivalent, as I think they are still better engineered cars overall.
 
Remind him of this. You don't get to be the #1 brand and have the highest owner loyalty in the USA by selling garbage.

That being said, my Taurus is every bit as reliable as my Infiniti G35 was.
 
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You know what they say about opinions...

Buy what you like and what puts a smile on your face.
 
Back in the eighties my dad got a new 4x4 ford pickup for the farm. Sent me on a 35 mile trip to pick up a stock waterer. The fuel pump diaphragm failed and the truck was pumping gas right onto the ground, but it was still running. So I took it directly to the ford dealer as soon as the stock waterer was loaded. Apparently, they recently had their lot paved with hot mix asphalt. So I pull up and said my truck is pumping gas onto the ground. The service guy says can't get it in today. So I asked if he would take a look to see if it was ok to drive. When he came out he said we just got the lot repaved to move the vehicle. So I backed out onto the street and he went back inside. That was it.

I filled it with gas and used/lost a tank in 35 miles, but I made it home. My dad never bought another ford vehicle. Nor have I.
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
There's nothing wrong with American cars, your friends are misinformed and probably slightly brainwashed.


I agree. I was never a ford guy other than mustangs I didn't really like ford. I was a bow tie lover through and through however I've owned a couple of ford trucks,which the bodies rotted off but the engines were rock solid. I've owned a few chev trucks and never had an issue. I've also had a few mopars.
All manufacturers have issues. Look at how complicated vehicles are today. Its only natural there will be bugs to work out. To condemn an entire brand is absurd.
I suspect routine maintenance would go a long way
 
No hate for Fords here,Their 221/260/289/302/351 small blocks were great engines,the C6 was an excellent tranny,and the 9" rear end is legendary.Their old power steering pumps stink,their DuraSpark and TFI electronic ignitions were troublesome,the 1960s Thermactor emissions system rotted out prematurely,and the Falcon/Comet/Mustang chassis was pretty dinky (not to mention the dangerous drop in gas tanks).Generally I dislike Ford cars,but am Pro-Ford trucks.Especially the older 1970s trucks.They used to use that obsolete "Ram" power steering system in full sizers and mid size cars that never held fluid correctly,and their mid size cars (and Ranchero) became outrageous behemoths by 1977.Many may rate GMs products superior to Ford's offerings back in the day,and largely thats due to GMs deeper pockets (and more divisions offering some variety).While I was never a Mustang/Thunderbird/Torino fan,I respect what Ford accomplished,and wouldnt talk them down on their merits/faults.Now GM,well thats another story.
 
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I personally never owned a Ford,but everyone I know who has,has had nothing but lemons.


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No disrespect to current Ford owners (gf has an 07 V6 Mustang that's been GREAT!!),but my best friends Fords:

Brand new Focus,engine and tranny both fell to pieces,replaced under warranty.

Brand new 07 V6 Mustang,rear diff fell off on the interstate,replaced under warranty.

His wife's brand new Escape,engine fell to pieces,replaced under warranty.

BUT,I wouldn't hesitate to buy a V8 Mustang. They're one of my favorite cars,as are Lincoln Marks and Town Cars.


How does an engine "fall to pieces"? That is perhaps the most vague description of something failing I've ever heard, specifically when made in reference to an internal combustion engine.

And we all know that the Modular family has been one of, if not the longest lasting family of gasoline engines ever produced....
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I cant stand Ford. One reason is I think they kept the 4.6 and 5.4 tritons around way too long, yeah good reliable engines, no performance appeal unless you bought a mustang. Something about a Ford just seems unreliable to me lol. Now a 7.3 Superduty, ill drive one any day of the week! good ol 7.3!!!
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
No more Fords in my family after the way Ford treated my father when the frame broke in half on his just out of warranty Ranger 4x4.
Fords response was NE winters and salt. Not even $1 off a new truck.

Toyota was buying back Tacoma trucks much older than his Ford to make good on rotten frames made by the same supplier.

Its not the vehicle, every vehicle can have trouble but its the way the manufacturer handles it down the road.
Toyota handles legit problems quickly and fairly, Ford tells you to go scratch your behind with a broken bottle.


IIRC it took a class action lawsuit to get Toyota to acknowledge both the frame rust issue AND the sludge issue. They just didn't pop up one day and starting voluntarily recalling things
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Originally Posted By: mobilaltima
I cant stand Ford. One reason is I think they kept the 4.6 and 5.4 tritons around way too long, yeah good reliable engines, no performance appeal unless you bought a mustang.




4.6 powered Lightning (stock casting AL block, stock casting split port '96-'98 B-heads), it also happens to be quicker than any LS powered vehicle that has ever make a pass down the 1/4 mile.

Modulars suck.
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I admit,after reading thru all these posts,I put my foot in my mouth a few times :^P

A few Fords that have been incredible!......

My sister`s 1990 Escort went through every member of our family,driven like we stole it,beat to a pulp,and NEVER had to be worked on for any reason. Same with her 90`s era Taurus.

My friend`s 1996 Mustang GT. Drove and ran like a dream beyond 300,000 miles,until the night he hydroplaned on the interstate in the rain,hit the concrete divider wall,then was rear ended. Totaled the car.

My gf`s old 1992 Probe. Simply indestructable!

Ok,I`m ready for my punishment
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Originally Posted By: mobilaltima
I cant stand Ford. One reason is I think they kept the 4.6 and 5.4 tritons around way too long, yeah good reliable engines, no performance appeal unless you bought a mustang. Something about a Ford just seems unreliable to me lol. Now a 7.3 Superduty, ill drive one any day of the week! good ol 7.3!!!


That strikes me as a bit of a contradiction....
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
And we all know that the Modular family has been one of, if not the longest lasting family of gasoline engines ever produced....
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^^This was Ford`s biggest mistake,discontinuing those engines. BEST V8 ever made imo. Darnint OVERKILL,you made me put my foot right back in my mouth,grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!
 
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
And we all know that the Modular family has been one of, if not the longest lasting family of gasoline engines ever produced....
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^^This was Ford`s biggest mistake,discontinuing those engines. BEST V8 ever made imo. Darnint OVERKILL,you made me put my foot right back in my mouth,grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!


The new 5.0 is part of the Modular family.
 
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