Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched

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Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I love Finland.

Seriously. That's one of the reasons I bought a Nokia recently.


I like Finland too.

This has zero to do with patriotism. LOL. At least for me. Funny thought though.

USA! Moibl 1! USA! Mobil !
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I love it also, I love Scandinavian Peninsula thing, cheers Kimi, Mikko, and all the others great men from there.
 
Originally Posted By: turbokick
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


There is so much wrong with that statement I don't even know where to begin.....

No, the approvals an oil has doesn't prove anything about the lubricant at all. We need elves and fairies sprinkling pixie dust 'round our heads whilst we chant Gregorian, stomping our staffs on the ground to really know. Obviously the extensive testing performed by manufacturers and the oil companies to guarantee a level of performance with regards to specs met and certifications obtained is useless drivel compared to the reliance on blind faith, hyperbole and conjecture. Those are much better foundations with which to form a solid reference point from.....
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Sorry man, really... I expected something more from you, this post is quite weak. It's obvious you have nothing constructive to tell in this occasion, it's better not to waste your time.
Regards.


No, you've got it quite backwards, it is you who are wasting my time. When you dismiss the value of major certs and approvals, you prove nothing other than the fact that you are extremely ignorant.

There are important distinctions to be made regarding the differences between a dedicated race lubricant, which is not designed for longevity, extended drain intervals or long term protection, and an oil that is tested EXTENSIVELY to provide long term protection and durability, extended drain interval capability AS WELL as the ability to hold its own as a race lubricant.

Mobil makes their own line of dedicated race oils, not unlike Motul's 300V series. They do not recommend these oils for use in daily drivers or regular passenger cars, since that is not their purpose. However, their 0w40 product has some significant overlap in this area, because not only is it designed and tested for use in a wide array of high performance applications with extended drain intervals and longevity as a focus, but it is ALSO used extensively in racing circles by those same manufacturers. That is SIGNIFICANT and discounting it because you want to toot the horn of a dedicated race lube with "ester" in the name and completely discount the significance of the testing that this particular oil goes through to obtain those certs and approvals that you claim are irrelevant paints you as a fool.

Motul makes some EXCELLENT oils, as do many other manufacturers. You appear to have an agenda toward ExxonMobil and their products, and that's quite a sad way to look at the world, as there are plenty of fantastic lubricants out there once you take the blinders off.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: turbokick
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


There is so much wrong with that statement I don't even know where to begin.....

No, the approvals an oil has doesn't prove anything about the lubricant at all. We need elves and fairies sprinkling pixie dust 'round our heads whilst we chant Gregorian, stomping our staffs on the ground to really know. Obviously the extensive testing performed by manufacturers and the oil companies to guarantee a level of performance with regards to specs met and certifications obtained is useless drivel compared to the reliance on blind faith, hyperbole and conjecture. Those are much better foundations with which to form a solid reference point from.....
crazy2.gif



Sorry man, really... I expected something more from you, this post is quite weak. It's obvious you have nothing constructive to tell in this occasion, it's better not to waste your time.
Regards.


No, you've got it quite backwards, it is you who are wasting my time. When you dismiss the value of major certs and approvals, you prove nothing other than the fact that you are extremely ignorant.

There are important distinctions to be made regarding the differences between a dedicated race lubricant, which is not designed for longevity, extended drain intervals or long term protection, and an oil that is tested EXTENSIVELY to provide long term protection and durability, extended drain interval capability AS WELL as the ability to hold its own as a race lubricant.

Mobil makes their own line of dedicated race oils, not unlike Motul's 300V series. They do not recommend these oils for use in daily drivers or regular passenger cars, since that is not their purpose. However, their 0w40 product has some significant overlap in this area, because not only is it designed and tested for use in a wide array of high performance applications with extended drain intervals and longevity as a focus, but it is ALSO used extensively in racing circles by those same manufacturers. That is SIGNIFICANT and discounting it because you want to toot the horn of a dedicated race lube with "ester" in the name and completely discount the significance of the testing that this particular oil goes through to obtain those certs and approvals that you claim are irrelevant paints you as a fool.

Motul makes some EXCELLENT oils, as do many other manufacturers. You appear to have an agenda toward ExxonMobil and their products, and that's quite a sad way to look at the world, as there are plenty of fantastic lubricants out there once you take the blinders off.


The only thing you show in this laarge post is you know nothing and you understand nothing.

In your opinion race oils have to have many approvals

Mobil 1 0W-40 is a race lubricant, equall to Motul 300V..

And I prefer not to go on in this thing.
 
Turbokick, in an earlier post you talked about lifter noise with M1; please don't make me search it out. What car exactly are you tracking that has lifters? Can't be the car in your Sig. I think it's more likely you posted what you've read on here about people saying they have top end noise with M1.

I'm positive motul 300v 0w40 is a great oil. I just think it is ridiculous to pay all that money for an oil that marginally out performs m1 0w40 for a fraction of the cost. The only 0w40 oil worthy of the increased price imo is redline's 0w40 which mops the floor with motul 300v 0w40
 
Originally Posted By: 04SVT
redline's 0w40 which mops the floor with motul 300v 0w40

How do you figure?
 
Originally Posted By: turbokick

The only thing you show in this laarge post is you know nothing and you understand nothing.


The only thing you show in your arrogant and data-lacking posts is your profound ignorance. I've go enough tenure on this board that the odd man out here is going to be you big guy.

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In your opinion race oils have to have many approvals


Point to where I said that?

Not only are you ignorant and rude, but apparently have a reading comprehension problem as well! Bravo!

You said there was no value to certs and approvals. You are wholly incorrect on that point.

What that has to do with dedicated race oils like Motul's 300V series or Mobil's own dedicated race formulas, I don't know. I'm not the one who has argued that certifications and approvals mean nothing.

What certifications and approvals DO tell us is that an oil WILL, not might, but WILL perform to a given standard based on the certification/approval in question. Subsequently, an oil with a multitude of certifications and approvals, particularly those relevant to a particular family of vehicle or engine, is guaranteeing a level of performance. Not "it might work because it is additized out the posterior", not "it's gotta work awesome because it has Ester in the name!", no, an actual guarantee of performance based on the TESTING performed to obtain that approval. This is really not a hard concept to grasp.....

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Mobil 1 0W-40 is a race lubricant, equall to Motul 300V..

And I prefer not to go on in this thing.


It may very well be. As it stands, we know what engines Mobil 1 0w40 has been tested in extensively and approved for. We have no such list for Motul's 300V. For somebody browsing this website, if they have an engine that spec's an oil that meets LL-01 for example, this makes M1 0w40 a safer bet than the 300V, because it has been tested and approved for that application. Again, not a hard thing to wrap your head around.

It comes down to putting your faith in the extensive testing and approval process, or taking the word of some guy on the Internet that a dedicated race lubricant is a better choice for his engine.
 
Originally Posted By: OpelFever
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I love Finland.

Seriously. That's one of the reasons I bought a Nokia recently.


I like Finland too.

This has zero to do with patriotism. LOL. At least for me. Funny thought though.

USA! Moibl 1! USA! Mobil !
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You are both welcome to visit and get ripped off on oil LOL. Yesterday was independence day and I'm feeling so patriotic I'll provide a link to a Finnish oil:

http://www.delron.fi/english/car.htm




One day, I AM coming over there for the Neste 1000 Lakes WRC round!!
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: 04SVT
redline's 0w40 which mops the floor with motul 300v 0w40

How do you figure?


Maybe he's going by the much higher VI of the RL product, or maybe the stouter add pack?
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
There are important distinctions to be made regarding the differences between a dedicated race lubricant, which is not designed for longevity, extended drain intervals or long term protection, and an oil that is tested EXTENSIVELY to provide long term protection and durability, extended drain interval capability AS WELL as the ability to hold its own as a race lubricant.

Mobil makes their own line of dedicated race oils, not unlike Motul's 300V series. They do not recommend these oils for use in daily drivers or regular passenger cars, since that is not their purpose. However, their 0w40 product has some significant overlap in this area, because not only is it designed and tested for use in a wide array of high performance applications with extended drain intervals and longevity as a focus, but it is ALSO used extensively in racing circles by those same manufacturers.



^^^ I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with the above, BUT, in defense of 300V (at least the older diester formula, I don't know about the new stuff), it has shown itself to be capable of longer drain intervals than most PURE "race oils" out there (maybe due to it's high starting TBNs which the new formula lacks?), despite not having the LL certificates to prove this. Motul even claims it is OK to use as a street oil, but makes no actual claims about it's longevity.

I am NOT stating that it will last as long as M1 0W-40 in a long drain app, just that it is more 'streetable' than the M1 RACING brew which as you've stated, says NOT to use for street cars right in their PDS for it.

Motul DOES make some 300V variants which most definitely are NOT meant to be left in the sump for even 2.5K miles, most notably their NISMO 0W-30 300V that claims such right on the PDS.
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(I'm guessing NO detergents, and a low TBN are at 'fault' for this requirement.)
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
That's quite the unfounded extrapolation. Because a company is willing to substitute some of their PAO base for their proprietary Group III+ base oil in certain applications, that automatically means they are cheapening the product on the whole, removing anything expensive from the mix like Esters or AN's?


Agreed. While some products have undoubtedly changed, not all have. I doubt that Delvac 1 has changed one iota, considering its sheets haven't changed, while all the other stuff has.

Also, will triple the price of a boutique oil provide triple the protection? Triple the longevity? Triple the fuel mileage?
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: 04SVT
redline's 0w40 which mops the floor with motul 300v 0w40

How do you figure?


Oh, I'm sorry...I couldn't type a follow up post since I was at work. I was just throwing out babbling opinion of an oil I like without any fact base...just like turbokick is doing. I have not factual base and therefore do not actually necessarily believe what I typed. I just wanted to show him how silly it is to just say arbitrarily one oil is better than the other just because I've used it and liked it.

Again, sorry for adding nothing beneficial to the thread. I do feel that the RL is a stouter oil though than the Motul; only by a little though.
 
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Originally Posted By: OpelFever
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I love Finland.

Seriously. That's one of the reasons I bought a Nokia recently.


I like Finland too.

This has zero to do with patriotism. LOL. At least for me. Funny thought though.

USA! Moibl 1! USA! Mobil !
grin.gif



You are both welcome to visit and get ripped off on oil LOL. Yesterday was independence day and I'm feeling so patriotic I'll provide a link to a Finnish oil:

http://www.delron.fi/english/car.htm

Thanks for the DelRon MotorSport Oils link; very impressive.
In particular I like their 0W-40 with it's 215 VI. To bad they don't provide HTHSV data. See below:
http://www.delron.fi/english/dragster.htm
They're obviously taking advantage of the latest advances in polymer technology. Their 10W-60 has an even higher 222 VI.
 
Originally Posted By: 04SVT
Turbokick, in an earlier post you talked about lifter noise with M1; please don't make me search it out. What car exactly are you tracking that has lifters? Can't be the car in your Sig. I think it's more likely you posted what you've read on here about people saying they have top end noise with M1.

I'm positive motul 300v 0w40 is a great oil. I just think it is ridiculous to pay all that money for an oil that marginally out performs m1 0w40 for a fraction of the cost. The only 0w40 oil worthy of the increased price imo is redline's 0w40 which mops the floor with motul 300v 0w40



Hahahahaaaa, don't you know that BMW 323 M52B25 engine has hydraulic lifters?..

Another big specialist here, talking about car stuff.

No comment
 
Originally Posted By: turbokick
Originally Posted By: 04SVT
Turbokick, in an earlier post you talked about lifter noise with M1; please don't make me search it out. What car exactly are you tracking that has lifters? Can't be the car in your Sig. I think it's more likely you posted what you've read on here about people saying they have top end noise with M1.

I'm positive motul 300v 0w40 is a great oil. I just think it is ridiculous to pay all that money for an oil that marginally out performs m1 0w40 for a fraction of the cost. The only 0w40 oil worthy of the increased price imo is redline's 0w40 which mops the floor with motul 300v 0w40



Hahahahaaaa, don't you know that BMW 323 M52B25 engine has hydraulic lifters?..

Another big specialist here, talking about car stuff.

No comment


I believe this is a terminology mismatch, as he's likely thinking the engine has buckets, rather than lifters, which is indeed the case.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: turbokick
Originally Posted By: 04SVT
Turbokick, in an earlier post you talked about lifter noise with M1; please don't make me search it out. What car exactly are you tracking that has lifters? Can't be the car in your Sig. I think it's more likely you posted what you've read on here about people saying they have top end noise with M1.

I'm positive motul 300v 0w40 is a great oil. I just think it is ridiculous to pay all that money for an oil that marginally out performs m1 0w40 for a fraction of the cost. The only 0w40 oil worthy of the increased price imo is redline's 0w40 which mops the floor with motul 300v 0w40



Hahahahaaaa, don't you know that BMW 323 M52B25 engine has hydraulic lifters?..

Another big specialist here, talking about car stuff.

No comment


I believe this is a terminology mismatch, as he's likely thinking the engine has buckets, rather than lifters, which is indeed the case.


Yup, exactly. Thank you.
 
Originally Posted By: turbokick
Originally Posted By: 04SVT
Turbokick, in an earlier post you talked about lifter noise with M1; please don't make me search it out. What car exactly are you tracking that has lifters? Can't be the car in your Sig. I think it's more likely you posted what you've read on here about people saying they have top end noise with M1.

I'm positive motul 300v 0w40 is a great oil. I just think it is ridiculous to pay all that money for an oil that marginally out performs m1 0w40 for a fraction of the cost. The only 0w40 oil worthy of the increased price imo is redline's 0w40 which mops the floor with motul 300v 0w40



Hahahahaaaa, don't you know that BMW 323 M52B25 engine has hydraulic lifters?..

Another big specialist here, talking about car stuff.

No comment


Typically Americans get the wrap for being know it all jerks. However, you seem to be leading the pack with your arogance. NO ONE (not even you) knows about every engine produced. However, overkill is correct. Lifter are what pushrod engines have...or that's what we call them in the states. OHC/DOHC engines have lifter buckets. You only said lifters. Maybe you should learn more about engines and their terminology yourself before you go around telling us how stupid we are.

BTW, I thought you were too good for this discussion and weren't coming back in.
 
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Originally Posted By: turbokick
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


There is so much wrong with that statement I don't even know where to begin.....

No, the approvals an oil has doesn't prove anything about the lubricant at all. We need elves and fairies sprinkling pixie dust 'round our heads whilst we chant Gregorian, stomping our staffs on the ground to really know. Obviously the extensive testing performed by manufacturers and the oil companies to guarantee a level of performance with regards to specs met and certifications obtained is useless drivel compared to the reliance on blind faith, hyperbole and conjecture. Those are much better foundations with which to form a solid reference point from.....
crazy2.gif



Sorry man, really... I expected something more from you, this post is quite weak. It's obvious you have nothing constructive to tell in this occasion, it's better not to waste your time.
Regards.


I thought Overkill pretty much cleaned your clock with his post, turbokick. Once you backed yourself in a corner saying that certifications and approvals don't mean anything, you were wide open for a plastering.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: turbokick
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


There is so much wrong with that statement I don't even know where to begin.....

No, the approvals an oil has doesn't prove anything about the lubricant at all. We need elves and fairies sprinkling pixie dust 'round our heads whilst we chant Gregorian, stomping our staffs on the ground to really know. Obviously the extensive testing performed by manufacturers and the oil companies to guarantee a level of performance with regards to specs met and certifications
obtained is useless drivel compared to the reliance on blind faith, hyperbole and conjecture. Those are much better foundations with which to form a solid reference point from.....
crazy2.gif



Sorry man, really... I expected something more from you, this post is quite weak. It's obvious you have nothing constructive to tell in this occasion, it's better not to waste your time.
Regards.


I thought Overkill pretty much cleaned your clock with his post, turbokick. Once you backed yourself in a corner saying that certifications and approvals don't mean anything, you were wide open for a plastering.



Hehehe.
I may not be a mobil 1 fan however if I'm not mistaken the 0w-40 has more oem certifications than any other oil on the planet,regardless if it's a group 3 or gtl or whatever basestock it is.
But I guess when oem's certify specific oils for use in their engines they do it because of the backroom bags of cash that exchange hands,not what they feel is right for the engines they built.
And ya,overkill plastered him.
Do they sell that pixie fairy dust oil up north here or is that just in Europe,since only Europeans get the good oil?
 
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