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#2797803 - 11/09/12 02:47 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: SLCraig]
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Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Great looking report.
I've used Nextgen conventional as well in my car, and although this is not the same engine it makes me think my UOA would probably look similar. Nice.


I always thought that the 8th gen Civics needed a synthetic or a synthetic blend in order for the oil to handle 6-8k miles safely but based on these results, it definitely looks like it should be able to handle 7,500 mile OCIs if the service isn't SEVERE.
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#2797890 - 11/09/12 04:23 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: The Critic]
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
So, it basically performed identical to Amsoil OE?


It sure looks that way and this conventional oil does not even have any Moly in it.

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#2797901 - 11/09/12 04:42 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: skyship]
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Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: The Critic
So, it basically performed identical to Amsoil OE?


It sure looks that way and this conventional oil does not even have any Moly in it.


and is 50% recycled oil! thumbsup grin2
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#2797995 - 11/09/12 06:46 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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Yeah, the overkill use of Amsoil wasn't necessarily needed. It's all about what you want to use. However, the synthetics still offer a value and some security/potential to outperform the conventional oils. However, on paper the '1' sample we have appears to do alright.
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#2798778 - 11/10/12 07:47 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: ltslimjim]
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Why overkill? I used OE to set a decent baseline following the factory recommended 5k OCIs. Then i proceeded to extend the OCIs by using higher quality lube from Amsoil's "Signature Series" line. Based on the results, i could probably keep going, adding makeup oil along the way up to 15k+.

Since i wasn't seeing the ROI from the expensive lube that was being burned at such a large volume, I'm looking into other alternatives, and that's where the Valvoline comes in.

Like i said, i have a ton of the stuff from all the FAR deals these past 3-4 months and figured that it was time to use up all that free oil. thumbsup
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#2798809 - 11/10/12 08:21 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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Yeah, overkill in the sense that doesn't revolve around money. However, it leaves you with more headroom for extreme service, whether you can use that higher quality or not in the lube itself isn't about money at all. They are all just different tools.

So, it's probably beyond what is needed from a pure baseline standpoint, but needs can be defined differently. Start throwing insurance in there, and Amsoil becomes more of the apt product.
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#2800784 - 11/12/12 08:15 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: ltslimjim]
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I agree. At the time, i was really interested in Amsoil and that's why i was running it in all my cars. I used the OE as a baseline and then went to the SS Line in order to see how far i can go on the "good stuff".

I still use Amsoil exclusively in my transmissions (and many of the cars i service as well). It works perfectly, gives me smooth shifts @ all temps and longer service life, if needed, even though i still drain it when needed.
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#4275404 - 12/15/16 11:07 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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Originally Posted By: Artem
Oil filter:
TINY Mobil 1 (much smaller then the OEM filter)


Why did you go smaller? Is there some advantage to doing so?

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#4281127 - 12/21/16 10:39 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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No advantage that I can think of. Mobil 1 simply makes the oil filter with a smaller canister then OEM. It's rated for 15k so that's all I needed to know.
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#4281158 - 12/21/16 11:12 AM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: veryHeavy]
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Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Originally Posted By: Artem
Oil filter:
TINY Mobil 1 (much smaller then the OEM filter)


Why did you go smaller? Is there some advantage to doing so?


This thread is from 2012
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#4281256 - 12/21/16 12:56 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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What does it matter? Someone asked a question. I answered.
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#4281559 - 12/21/16 07:33 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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Artem,

What ever happened to the TC? Did you ever try extended runs in the NextGen? Did consumption continue to improve or decline as the engine aged?
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#4281690 - 12/21/16 09:54 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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Sold the beater when we needed something bigger. The current Mazda 3 hatchback replaced it.

Consumption stayed the same. These motors just like oil.

A buddy of mine has an 07 Camry with the same 2.4L and his consumption got so bad that he took it to Toyota and after they did their little oil burning test, they offered to rebuild the engine under warranty (150k on the car) so he's waiting for the parts and will let me know how it goes. His started eating like a quart every 1,000 miles.
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#4290029 - 12/31/16 08:48 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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Mine is burning about a quart every 2,500 like clockwork, using 0W-20 or 5W-20.
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#4290084 - 12/31/16 10:39 PM Re: Valvoline NextGen 5w30 - 5,020 miles - 06 Scion tC [Re: Artem]
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Yep, not much you can do about it, unless you rebuild it but that's obviously not worth the hassle.

Most people don't keep up with oil levels and I imagine that a lot of these engines are suffering as a result and we'll see a ton on them at junk yards as they start wearing out due to low oil levels. Sad.
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