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We have all heard that it is a waste of $$ to buy a product like Slick 50 or Prolong....but my question is , has anyone out there actually done a test on thier oil , before and after treatment????
I will bne having my oil tested in about 2 weeks ...I think I will install some TUFOIL to my crankcase and see what happens .
 
deepsquirt, I saw one article that CITED testing ... but didn't see the raw numbers myself. I think they were trying Slick 50 ... but I know it was a PTFE product of some sort.

They admitted they got better mileage while using the stuff, but lab testing of the oil also showed elevated wear metals.
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I think they figured the particles of teflon caused localized oil starvation.
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--- Bror Jace
 
Deepsquat,

As they said in the movie Airplane,

"Good Luck, were all counting on you."
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Seriously, I have read info on how the U.S. government fined Slick 50 due to false advertising.

From what I've seen, you will see no support for that product here.

read Mola Kule's post on PTFE in crankcases.

[ August 04, 2002, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: jjbula ]
 
As Bob has shared, blending an oil for engine use is a fine balance of additives and base oils, very much like that of a cake mix. If a cake mix calls for 2 eggs and we then put in 10 eggs, we no longer have a cake. The same is true for engine oils. Putting in additization can upset the fine balance in the present oil additives, upsetting the balance and can cause additive fallout, chemistry disruption, and bottom line, less effective lubricant package than one started with!
Oil companies spend millions to come up with optimized, balanced additive packages working with their specific base oils. One is much better served by going out and buying several cases of Bud Light than spending the money on additives. Not only can it be wasted money in the afermarket additives but can actually be detrimental to the engine and oil effectiveness.
 
Tufoil,
PTFE-------------1% .05-.5 micron size
30wt engine oil--30%
Complex DiEsters-30%
PAO--------------30%
Sufacant and trace additives---9%

Use 2oz Tufoil per quart of oil for the initial dose, then 4 oz. with every oil change there after. Make sure to change oil and filter every 3K. To see if this is compatable with your oil, heat 2 ozs. Tufoil and pour into 10 oz. of the oil you use, and check 12 hours later to see if it settles out or mixes. Also TP and synthetic fiber Bypass filters may remove the particles of PTFE even though one (Un-named) bypass filter company recommends Tufoil.

I'll stick with all the replies above, but my big problem is I live in a DRY County, so I'll just have to buy some Diet coke, no Bud or Coors Lite available.
 
I used this stuff on a 85 Volvo, (Car was traded in 1992 after bearing replacement)for about a year (put in around 1991 or so). I cannot prove it but I will swear that it caused the main bearings to fail (only had 80,000 miles on engine) oil was changed every 3000 with Castrol 10W30. MPG did go up with Tufoil but I think it caused bearing failure with the teflon additive. Just my opinion which is why I try to stay away from all oil additives.

[ August 05, 2002, 09:45 AM: Message edited by: Spector ]
 
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Originally posted by VaderSS:
Dupont stating that teflon is not for use in engine oil is good enough for me.

Would you say this statement Dupont endorses PTFE?

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What will GREASED LIGHTNING do for my engine?

A GREASED LIGHTNING utilizes 100% genuine, DuPont PTFE which has the lowest co-efficient of friction of any product known in nature or chemistry, wraps a protective shield around your engine's vital-wear parts..reducing friction, heat, wear, improving fuel consumption and extending engine life.

I saw an ad for these folks on TV and it had DUPONT right on the Label
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http://www.greasedlightning.com/content/main.asp?section=faq&body=main
 
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Originally posted by msparks:

quote:

Originally posted by VaderSS:
Dupont stating that teflon is not for use in engine oil is good enough for me.

Would you say this statement Dupont endorses PTFE?

quote:

What will GREASED LIGHTNING do for my engine?

A GREASED LIGHTNING utilizes 100% genuine, DuPont PTFE which has the lowest co-efficient of friction of any product known in nature or chemistry, wraps a protective shield around your engine's vital-wear parts..reducing friction, heat, wear, improving fuel consumption and extending engine life.

I saw an ad for these folks on TV and it had DUPONT right on the Label
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http://www.greasedlightning.com/content/main.asp?section=faq&body=main


At one point in the past, DuPont refused to sell Teflon (their brand of PTFE) for use as an engine lubricant. One of the snake oil companies took them to court over this and DuPont was forced to sell it to them.

[ August 05, 2002, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: DNS ]
 
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Originally posted by VaderSS:
Dupont stating that teflon is not for use in engine oil is good enough for me.
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Would you say this statement Dupont endorses PTFE?

Not for use inside an engine...
 
I followed the link to grease lightning...

How are they "The world leader in Automotive Products"?

Is anyone buying that?

Also, how does PTFE in the radiator reduce coolant temp?
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My snake oil warning light is illuminated.
 
quote:

At one point in the past, DuPont refused to sell Teflon (their brand of PTFE) for use as an engine lubricant. One of the snake oil companies took them to court over this and DuPont was forced to sell it to them.

I was under the assumption that it was Dupont who filed a class action lawsuit against the Snake Oil companies because the Snake Oil Companies were marketing the trademark name "Teflon" rather than PTFE which is the chemical abbreviation. And Dupont stated because Teflon is not meant for engine use, they did not want the name "Teflon" stuck in people's minds when it comes to automotive use.

Regards,

Oz
 
The following is from one og Bob's pages at http://pub27.bravenet.com/faq/show....password=&catid=1397&action=showcat#question1

Though they have gained rather wide acceptance among the motoring public, oil additives containing PTFE have also garnered their share of critics among experts in the field of lubrication. By far the most ****ing testimonial against these products originally came from the DuPont Chemical Corporation, inventor of PTFE and holder of the patents and trademarks for Teflon. In a statement issued about ten years ago, DuPont's Fluoropolymers Division Product Specialist, J.F. Imbalzano said, "Teflon is not useful as an ingredient in oil additives or oils used for internal combustion engines."

At the time, DuPont threatened legal action against anyone who used the name "Teflon" on any oil product destined for use in an internal combustion engine, and refused to sell its PTFE powders to any one who intended to use them for such purposes.

After a flurry of lawsuits from oil additive makers, claiming DuPont could not prove that PTFE was harmful to engines, DuPont was forced to once again begin selling their PTFE to the additive producers. The additive makers like to claim this is some kind of "proof' that their products work, when in fact it is nothing more than proof that the American legal ethic of "innocent until proven guilty" is still alive and well. The decision against DuPont involved what is called "restraint of trade." You can't refuse to sell a product to someone just because there is a possibility they might use it for a purpose other than what you intended it for.

It should be noted that DuPont's official position on the use of PTFE in engine oils remains carefully aloof and noncommittal, for obvious legal reasons. DuPont states that though they sell PTFE to oil additive producers, they have "no proof of the validity of the additive makers' claims." They further state that they have "no knowledge of any advantage gained through the use of PTFE in engine oil."
 
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