Close to 90k on Mazda3 - change any belts out?

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Approaching 90k on Mazda3 - used to be on some older modern cars - you had to change the water pump, AC belt, along with the timing belt (along w/ coolant, gaskets, might as well replace the hoses and belts and water pump while you have them all off, put it all back on)

Now these newer modern cars have timing chains which purportedly last a lifetime??

Do I need to do anything? Do timing chains have to be change out?
If not - any other belts I should tend to?
The Mazda manual doesn't give much detail.

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I have ~95,000 on mine and when I get close to 100,000 I'm going to change both accessory belts (one is the main one, and one is the A/C belt only), the belt tensioner and spark plugs. I'll also be adding an oil temp gauge and oil pressure gauge around this time. The timing chain does not need to be replaced. These cars are pretty low maintenance. Just keep the fluids/filters fresh and you'll be good to go.
 
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Originally Posted By: Bamaro
Are you sure you have a timing chain and not a belt?


The MZR engine in the Mazda3 definitely uses a chain, not a belt.
 
My old Ford Probe I had with a 2.2L Turbo engine from Mazda and I had the original timing belt from the day it was bought until there was 220,000mi on that car when it snapped. If your car does indeed have a chain Im shocked, totally thought chains got phased out in smaller cars a long time ago.
 
Yeah Timing Chain for sure on the 2.3 MZR engine.
Less maintenance I would think & less cost too in the long run but what about the other belts?
 
I'd change the belts. If they looked good, I'd probably just wait until 100k, just because...
 
I think you have your perspective backward... engines used to have chains but now many smaller engines use belts.

Not to change the subject, but I wonder if anyone has produced a database that lists every engine and whether or not it has a chain or belt, and if it is an interference engine or not. I'd like to put all cars that have belts and are interference engines on my "cars to avoid" list.

On the other hand, having a chain is not necessarily a guarantee of longevity. I had a '79 Celica once where the chain gave up the ghost. A mechanic tried to fix the valves, but it never ran well after that.

My daughter's Mazda Protege has a timing belt that is way overdue, but it's a non-interference engine, so no damage if it snaps.
 
The drive belts should be replaced at around 100k for preventive maintenance.

Timing chains do not always last a lifetime, recent examples of this are Nissan VQ35s and VW VR6 engines. They are replaced on an as-needed basis, but many last over 150k.

If this car is driven regularly by an individual who is not car savvy, it may be wise to overhaul the cooling system for preventive maintenance to prevent a roadside breakdown. If any engine overheats, especially an aluminum one, serious damage will occur. $500 for a new radiator, water pump, thermostat and hoses may be money well spent for certain drivers.

Also, how has your Mazda 3 held up for you? Any issues? I was thinking about getting an extended warranty for my friend's 3, but I'm not sure if it is needed aside from the concern of transmission failures.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Also, how has your Mazda 3 held up for you? Any issues? I was thinking about getting an extended warranty for my friend's 3, but I'm not sure if it is needed aside from the concern of transmission failures.


Are there problems with the transmission? What failures are you talking about?
 
Originally Posted By: stranger706
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Also, how has your Mazda 3 held up for you? Any issues? I was thinking about getting an extended warranty for my friend's 3, but I'm not sure if it is needed aside from the concern of transmission failures.


Are there problems with the transmission? What failures are you talking about?


I have a M3 and not heard of any tranny issues, the 05 I have has a hard first to second shift on cold accelerations but goes away after warm up. Dealer reprogrammed the tranny but still does it, a non issue. The 04 to 08 have premature rust issues, google Mazda 3 rust for more info, the 09 and 10 haven't been around long enough to see if the rust issue has been resolved? Some years, especially the 07, again google have power steering failures, white colour seems to be prone to rail dust, rust spots, again google rail dust. Go to various forums like www.mazda3forums.com and www.torontomazda3.ca
 
Originally Posted By: stranger706
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Also, how has your Mazda 3 held up for you? Any issues? I was thinking about getting an extended warranty for my friend's 3, but I'm not sure if it is needed aside from the concern of transmission failures.


Are there problems with the transmission? What failures are you talking about?

A well-respected local Mazda specialty shop advised me that he has seen failures on the transmissions as they approach 100,000 miles. I have no first-hand experience this, I am simply relaying the information I received from a local Mazda specialist.
 
Originally Posted By: crw
I think you have your perspective backward... engines used to have chains but now many smaller engines use belts.


Rather the opposite. Many manufacturers are switching to (or in some cases back to) timing chains. Examples are many, including GM's Ecotec motors, Ford's Duratec motors, the Chrysler/Mitsu/Hyundai World Engine, VW's TSI motor, Toyota's 1ZZ & 2ZZ engine familys, and the Mazda engine in question. Timing chains are, undoubtedly, in vogue.


Originally Posted By: crw
Not to change the subject, but I wonder if anyone has produced a database that lists every engine and whether or not it has a chain or belt, and if it is an interference engine or not. I'd like to put all cars that have belts and are interference engines on my "cars to avoid" list.


I wholeheartedly agree, as I (by some miracle) avoided bent valves and piston damage when the belt on the AEG in my Beetle let go. Overall, though, it's more difficult to achieve a non-interference design with today's higher compression NA engines necessitating tighter piston-to-valve clearances (better quench) and higher lift camshafts. If you throw variable valve lift, duration, and cam phasing into the mix things get even tighter. A failure in any one of these systems, to say nothing of the chain/belt, causes catastrophic engine damage at worst, and expensive and labor intensive rebuilding and machine operations at best. Avoiding these technological advancements will soon become nigh impossible as they are adopted industry wide. The question is, is it better to have a more efficient and powerful engine, or one that won't self destruct in the event of a failure in one of these systems?
 
Originally Posted By: crw
Not to change the subject, but I wonder if anyone has produced a database that lists every engine and whether or not it has a chain or belt, and if it is an interference engine or not. I'd like to put all cars that have belts and are interference engines on my "cars to avoid" list.

This used to be available on gates.com as a downloadable pdf. It listed recommended change interval and whether the engine design was interference or not by application. I have an old copy.

You can get similar information here: http://www.gates.com/part_locator/index....rchGatesPopular
 
Originally Posted By: SAATR
Originally Posted By: crw
I think you have your perspective backward... engines used to have chains but now many smaller engines use belts.


Rather the opposite. Many manufacturers are switching to (or in some cases back to) timing chains. Examples are many, including GM's Ecotec motors, Ford's Duratec motors, the Chrysler/Mitsu/Hyundai World Engine, VW's TSI motor, Toyota's 1ZZ & 2ZZ engine familys, and the Mazda engine in question. Timing chains are, undoubtedly, in vogue.


^^

Even Honda is phasing out timing belts as they release new engines -- I don't think any of their current 4 cylinder engines in the USA has a timing belt. The aging V6 does, but presumably its replacement will have a chain.

Subaru comes to mind as a manufacturer still using a timing belt on their primary 4 cylinder engine though.
 
Originally Posted By: rationull
Originally Posted By: SAATR
Originally Posted By: crw
I think you have your perspective backward... engines used to have chains but now many smaller engines use belts.


Rather the opposite. Many manufacturers are switching to (or in some cases back to) timing chains. Examples are many, including GM's Ecotec motors, Ford's Duratec motors, the Chrysler/Mitsu/Hyundai World Engine, VW's TSI motor, Toyota's 1ZZ & 2ZZ engine familys, and the Mazda engine in question. Timing chains are, undoubtedly, in vogue.


^^

Even Honda is phasing out timing belts as they release new engines -- I don't think any of their current 4 cylinder engines in the USA has a timing belt. The aging V6 does, but presumably its replacement will have a chain.

Subaru comes to mind as a manufacturer still using a timing belt on their primary 4 cylinder engine though.


Not any more. Starting with MY 2011 the standard Subaru 2.5l H4 motor is now a chain with DOHC.

Bill
 
You can almost bet that the replacement and labor costs when you do need to replace the chains will be much higher compared to T belt replacement....

I would much rather have the belt because it makes for a quieter and smoother operation , a more efficient engine, and lowerreplacement costs.

It is so unfortunate that if you are a responsible person that you have to suffer the costs for fools that can't remember of care to do basic maintenance work before serious damage occurs..

It seems to me that many people, especially in the US today lack common sense and many times are just plain stupid.
 
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