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Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: azsynthetic] #2016308
09/13/10 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
Originally Posted By: Mokanic
You are assuming the dpf is going to fail running a CJ-4 oil. There's no evidence as of yet that it will even do harm to it.


I assume nothing. Most 228.31 oils were also CJ-4, 229.51 oils are not. In the 2007 models MB 228.31 oil was listed as OK for that engine, but for 2008 and up the 228.31 was NOT approved. I stand by Mercedes since they are the engine maker and the one I have to deal with for warranty purpose.

Even Mobil don't want to take a chance, I quote from their FAQ:

"Question: Can Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck be Used in Place of Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40? The owner's manual calls for Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 oil, which is hard to find locally. I can readily find Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40, which says on the label that it is "recommended for virtually all diesel-powered equipment from U.S., European and Japanese equipment builders. . ." But, nowhere is Daimler Chrysler mentioned on the label. I compared the properties specs for both. There are some differences. Is the Turbo Diesel Truck oil of equal or better quality than the ESP Formula? If I use the Turbo Diesel and have a problem with the engine later, would Mercedes have a basis to claim that I used an inferior grade oil to that demanded in their MB 229.51 spec? Thanks.-- Marvin Vanhise, Lawrenceville, NJ

Answer: You should use the MB 229.51 recommended product."

And this is your evidence that CJ-4 will harm the dpf? Gimme a break.

Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: Mokanic] #2016358
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No break for you since you seems to not understand technical specifications and got nothing to show for except for a couple of anecdotal UOAs. I got Mobil and Mercedes recommendations and warranty on my side. Feel free to shade tree mechanic your ride and take it up with any CJ oil makers you like when your DPF is plugged up. Like the man said "Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it"

Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: azsynthetic] #2016905
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Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
No break for you since you seems to not understand technical specifications and got nothing to show for except for a couple of anecdotal UOAs. I got Mobil and Mercedes recommendations and warranty on my side. Feel free to shade tree mechanic your ride and take it up with any CJ oil makers you like when your DPF is plugged up. Like the man said "Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it"

And you still have offered no evidence that CJ-4 will harm the dpf. It's all about manufacterers covering ther behinds on emission warranties. Same old story about non-GF4 SM oils damaging catalysts in gas burners. It has not happened . I don't shade-tree anything. Ran my own shop for years and been in the business for 25. What's you background other than sucking up whatever MB feeds you?

Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: Mokanic] #2017214
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Originally Posted By: Mokanic
And you still have offered no evidence that CJ-4 will harm the dpf. It's all about manufacterers covering ther behinds on emission warranties.

Yeah, they are covering their behinds on emissions warranties because they know lubricants' additive formulations affect the emissions hardware. There is plenty of evidence published online about this. Here's one, starting on page 21: http://www.engine-expo.com/05engine_conf/pres/day1/burnett.pdf

Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: JAG] #2017387
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That article points out that E6 (228.51) oils are clearly superior in terms of emission equipment lifetime to E9(CJ4) oils.

Charlie


05 Unimog U500/Unicat camper/Delvac 1 SHC ACEA E4/E5
09 BMW X5 35d/Delvac1 LE 5W30
88 Toyota OJ50LV OM314 motor D1 SHC
52 Dodge M37/Hercules diesel

Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: Mokanic] #2019035
09/16/10 05:29 PM
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[/quote]
And you still have offered no evidence that CJ-4 will harm the dpf. It's all about manufacterers covering ther behinds on emission warranties. Same old story about non-GF4 SM oils damaging catalysts in gas burners. It has not happened . I don't shade-tree anything. Ran my own shop for years and been in the business for 25. What's you background other than sucking up whatever MB feeds you? [/quote]The only part that scares me-if BITOG "experts" think CJ-4 is acceptable-IMHO 99% of oil change places & mechanics won't know any better either. Using the recommended oil, which does cost a little more, lets you use the OLM to get maximum life out of the oil. Last I checked, the M1 ESP isn't outrageously expensive-why the obstinate contrariness on this spec? Pretty sure Daimler has better info on this one, don't think they're raking in big $$$ from the 229.51 oil producers?


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Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: badnews] #2019037
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Also guessing you're probably not running the Mann fleece oil filters either? The part I'd be keeping a VERY close eye on is the condition of the ATF and transmission-heard a rebuild on a Sprinter trans set back an ex-employer of mine EIGHT GRAND-bet a plugged DPF is chump change compared to that!


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 93 GMC C3500 6.2, 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7, 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2)
Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: badnews] #2024743
09/22/10 04:14 PM
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Is the DPF cheaper to replace than an engine?
Only time will tell if the DPF issue is over exaggerated.
Keep an eye on the salvage yards. Maybe you can get a spare DPF off a wrecked van and keep it in the attic.

Stick with this oil. And, hunt the aftermarket for a DPF delete.


Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it.
Your automaker lied!
Is this a spelling/grammar forum or BITOG?
Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: badnews] #2026022
09/24/10 04:08 AM
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A used DPF is still around $400-800 (labor not included) and you would know what is its condition. New replacement DPF on a Sprinter van is around $3,000 at the dealer. So what exactly are you going to gain going with a non-spec oil?

+1 for the DPF delete if possible, will not pass inspection in many locales.

Last edited by azsynthetic; 09/24/10 04:10 AM.
Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: badnews] #2026157
09/24/10 08:20 AM
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Still think somebody's a Schaeffer's rep... hide Going to the VIOC today, am going to talk to the manager about the MST availability, will post what he knows.


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Re: Schaeffer's S-9000 5 W 40 MBenz 3.0 diesel engine [Re: m37charlie] #2172523
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Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Easier said, even with all the expletives, than done.
With all the electronics one needs a "patch" or convertor box to allow the truck to run properly with DPF and urea convertor gone.
There are DPF delete kits for pre 2011 Big 3 diesel pickups, but none so far AFAIK for 2011 Big 3 diesels, let alone Mercedes/BMW/VW imports.
If someone knows of a delete kit for a 2009 BMW X5 35d, let me know.

Charlie


Here is a company in the UK: http://www.sinspeed.co.uk/blog/tag/bmw-mini-diesel-particulate-filter-dpf-problems-fixed/

Interesting read...

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