Hi all-I'm familiar with the new 229.51 spec for MB diesels, but what is 228.31? Is that a shorter drain interval (i.e. don't use the OLM)?
Mercedes-Benz 228.31 oil OK for '09 Sprinter??
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228.31 is Mercedes' upgrade of ACEA E9. Which is more or less CJ4.
228.51 is more stringent in some ways and less in others; also List of 228.31 oils (you will recognize many of them):
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten...ent_action=show
ACEA sequences:
http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/20090105_081211_ACEA_Oil_Sequences_Final.pdf
Note p. 223.2 on the Mercedes site. With DPF the diesel OM6xy engines can use 228.31, 229.31, 229.51 oils. In other words, "car" or "truck" oils as sold in the US.
Charlie
228.51 is more stringent in some ways and less in others; also List of 228.31 oils (you will recognize many of them):
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten...ent_action=show
ACEA sequences:
http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/20090105_081211_ACEA_Oil_Sequences_Final.pdf
Note p. 223.2 on the Mercedes site. With DPF the diesel OM6xy engines can use 228.31, 229.31, 229.51 oils. In other words, "car" or "truck" oils as sold in the US.
Charlie
Thanks m37charlie.
Correction: with DPF, you may use 229.31/51 and 228.51, but NOT 228.31. Since 228.51 is unobtainable in North America, you are stuck with the 229.31/51 oils.
Charlie
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That's an impressive list, and many, many options for recognizable brands here in the States. I was not aware that so many brands/grades now meet the MB spec.
Thanks, Charlie!
Thanks, Charlie!
I just wasn't sure if the Sprinter OM642, which has a DPF, but NOT the SCR/Blutech (urea) system, could use the 228.31, which includes many American HDEOs such as Valvoline PBX-but the 229.51 will be difficult to come by (unless from a dealer, or distributor) in a quick lube location. Looks like I'm going to have to try to get the Valvoline Instant OC guy by me to get the Synpower 5W40 MST, thanks for the info.
And strangely enough, M-B's list doesn't include the Valvoline MST oils-but Valvoline's website shows 229.51 OEM approval-somebody's out of date or giving out bad info!
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
And strangely enough, M-B's list doesn't include the Valvoline MST oils-but Valvoline's website shows 229.51 OEM approval-somebody's out of date or giving out bad info!
I see it 5 places up from the bottom of the list for the 229.51 spec.
And strangely enough, M-B's list doesn't include the Valvoline MST oils-but Valvoline's website shows 229.51 OEM approval-somebody's out of date or giving out bad info!
I see it 5 places up from the bottom of the list for the 229.51 spec.
I seem to remember seeing a Mobil1 oil in Pep Boys that met all of the newer MB standards.
Originally Posted By: artificialist
I seem to remember seeing a Mobil1 oil in Pep Boys that met all of the newer MB standards.
That would be M1 0W40. It meets MB229.5. But no 228.x standards.
229.5 is fine for any OM 6xy engine that does not have a DPF.
Charlie
I seem to remember seeing a Mobil1 oil in Pep Boys that met all of the newer MB standards.
That would be M1 0W40. It meets MB229.5. But no 228.x standards.
229.5 is fine for any OM 6xy engine that does not have a DPF.
Charlie
I just went through a lengthy study of oils for this vehicle.
Spent days on the computer and this is my take
228.31 --- Shell almost faints when you ask them if it is ok to use in a MBenz spec 228.51 /229.31/229.51 application, I have been round and round with Shell tech support on their 228.31 Shell Rotella T6 oil.
Fact is they state don't do it. Fact is if you change it out at around 6,000 miles I doubt anything bad will happen . Oil is oil and DPF aren't that fragile . MBenz is goofy on their oil specs and since they were sued over it - it was made it worse.
But to my surprise I found that Schaeffer oil T9000 carries the MBenz spec 229.51 and I have a distributor 8 miles down the road .
I get it at approx 20.00 per gallon same as Shell Rotella T6.
The fact that it does not have the API star , but then that is why I pay 20.00 a gallon for oil that should sell for 50.00 a gallon -- they did not pay thousands for the API certification.
Schaeffers rep is beyond question and I trust their spec's without a doubt.
So that is what I wound up using. I just wish someone on BITOG would have clued my in and saved me tons of wasted time on the search .
Hence this lengthy post
Spent days on the computer and this is my take
228.31 --- Shell almost faints when you ask them if it is ok to use in a MBenz spec 228.51 /229.31/229.51 application, I have been round and round with Shell tech support on their 228.31 Shell Rotella T6 oil.
Fact is they state don't do it. Fact is if you change it out at around 6,000 miles I doubt anything bad will happen . Oil is oil and DPF aren't that fragile . MBenz is goofy on their oil specs and since they were sued over it - it was made it worse.
But to my surprise I found that Schaeffer oil T9000 carries the MBenz spec 229.51 and I have a distributor 8 miles down the road .
I get it at approx 20.00 per gallon same as Shell Rotella T6.
The fact that it does not have the API star , but then that is why I pay 20.00 a gallon for oil that should sell for 50.00 a gallon -- they did not pay thousands for the API certification.
Schaeffers rep is beyond question and I trust their spec's without a doubt.
So that is what I wound up using. I just wish someone on BITOG would have clued my in and saved me tons of wasted time on the search .
Hence this lengthy post
One of us has mis-read Schaeffer's specs.
I don't see 229.51 anywhere.
Plus, Schaeffer is a bit liberal with their MB claims. They claim 9000 5W40 meets 228.5. It has a TBN of 10. 228.5 is based on ACEA E4 which requires TBN =12. A rather important specification.
Charlie
I don't see 229.51 anywhere.
Plus, Schaeffer is a bit liberal with their MB claims. They claim 9000 5W40 meets 228.5. It has a TBN of 10. 228.5 is based on ACEA E4 which requires TBN =12. A rather important specification.
Charlie
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
One of us has mis-read Schaeffer's specs.
I don't see 229.51 anywhere.
Plus, Schaeffer is a bit liberal with their MB claims. They claim 9000 5W40 meets 228.5. It has a TBN of 10. 228.5 is based on ACEA E4 which requires TBN =12. A rather important specification.
Charlie
See you repeat what you see on the internet
It is printed on the bottle. I will see if I can take a macro pic
As far as anything else you say about Schaeffer oil
They ain't going to get sued over a false claim.
I trust them absolutely after a conversation with a rep
One of us has mis-read Schaeffer's specs.
I don't see 229.51 anywhere.
Plus, Schaeffer is a bit liberal with their MB claims. They claim 9000 5W40 meets 228.5. It has a TBN of 10. 228.5 is based on ACEA E4 which requires TBN =12. A rather important specification.
Charlie
See you repeat what you see on the internet
It is printed on the bottle. I will see if I can take a macro pic
As far as anything else you say about Schaeffer oil
They ain't going to get sued over a false claim.
I trust them absolutely after a conversation with a rep
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Best darn oil I have ever found / easy to get / and priced within reason / DARN GOOD STUFF THIS
All of the oils MBenz did approve have in some respect one way or another exceeded ACEA limits
either to SAPS content
HTHS
or a host of other spec's -
it seems MBENZ approves an oil if the company forks over the dough - one oil MB approved had a Sulpher content of 1.4 Shell Rimula I think
All of the oils MBenz did approve have in some respect one way or another exceeded ACEA limits
either to SAPS content
HTHS
or a host of other spec's -
it seems MBENZ approves an oil if the company forks over the dough - one oil MB approved had a Sulpher content of 1.4 Shell Rimula I think
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It's pretty hard to have a TBN of >12 with an ash content of 7.
What I'm really saying is the laws of chemistry make some of those specs mutually exclusive.
Charlie
What I'm really saying is the laws of chemistry make some of those specs mutually exclusive.
Charlie
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
It's pretty hard to have a TBN of >12 with an ash content of 7.
What I'm really saying is the laws of chemistry make some of those specs mutually exclusive.
Charlie
A lot of the TBN in this oil is antimony , a thing few others have due to expense - I am not a expert in oil chemistry construction but I can read specs and see what is what . And what some have and others don't .
Regardless I do enjoy the exchange of info with one that is versed in oil as well as you .
And please forgive my perceived abruptness in replies.
At times I am tasked with other running programs and take it to here for diversion
It's pretty hard to have a TBN of >12 with an ash content of 7.
What I'm really saying is the laws of chemistry make some of those specs mutually exclusive.
Charlie
A lot of the TBN in this oil is antimony , a thing few others have due to expense - I am not a expert in oil chemistry construction but I can read specs and see what is what . And what some have and others don't .
Regardless I do enjoy the exchange of info with one that is versed in oil as well as you .
And please forgive my perceived abruptness in replies.
At times I am tasked with other running programs and take it to here for diversion
Incidentally I am thinking about using a 228.51 oil in our BMW X5 35d (Delvac 1 LE 5W30) if I can get some. The 229.51 oil (Castrol OE Professional 5W30) has exhausted TBN with TAN>TBN (4.83 and 1.5 respectively) after 11600 miles. The Castrol has a starting TBN of 6.8, whereas the D1 LE is 12.6!
Charlie
Charlie
Originally Posted By: badnews
http://www.mobil.com/usa-english/lubes/pds/glxxenpvlmomobil_1_0w-40.asp
Not to hard
This oil's ash content is 1.2%, far from the 0.8% mentioned.
http://www.mobil.com/usa-english/lubes/pds/glxxenpvlmomobil_1_0w-40.asp
Not to hard
This oil's ash content is 1.2%, far from the 0.8% mentioned.
Originally Posted By: badnews
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
What I'm really saying is the laws of chemistry make some of those specs mutually exclusive.
Charlie
A lot of the TBN in this oil is antimony , a thing few others have due to expense - I am not a expert in oil chemistry construction but I can read specs and see what is what . And what some have and others don't .
The boiling point of Sb2O3 is 1425C., far above exhaust gas temps. Therefore, antimony, a metalloid, is an ash producer.
Plus, it's pretty far to the right on the periodic table so I don't think its' organic salts would make such good alkalinizing agents. IMHO Sb is used mainly for antiwear.
Charlie
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
What I'm really saying is the laws of chemistry make some of those specs mutually exclusive.
Charlie
A lot of the TBN in this oil is antimony , a thing few others have due to expense - I am not a expert in oil chemistry construction but I can read specs and see what is what . And what some have and others don't .
The boiling point of Sb2O3 is 1425C., far above exhaust gas temps. Therefore, antimony, a metalloid, is an ash producer.
Plus, it's pretty far to the right on the periodic table so I don't think its' organic salts would make such good alkalinizing agents. IMHO Sb is used mainly for antiwear.
Charlie
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