Originally Posted By: mechanicx
It' s not just about money, but meeting a standard and compatibility and reputation. Peak claims compatibility. G-05 doesn't, and do you think G-05 production isn't about money too?
Sure it is. The point is Peak GL is an unique product that is patented by Peak. However, it CANNOT be compatible if it doesn't contain phosphates from Asian vehicles and it cannot be compatible with other vehicles that require silicates.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I don't possess this knowledge? If you say so. What was Dexcool replacing? Green. If you are trying to say G-05 was back-speced for Green by a manufacture, that is not the real reason why it was selected in the first place. You acknowleded that G-05 was a European long-life coolant for some time, so it was chosen by Ford and Chrysler to replace Green, just as Dexcool was first chosen by GM. You are kind of going in circles here I think, and I'm not really getting your point. Anyway, Your reply here really had no relation to the reason I disagree with you in the other thread.
Where do I begin? Yes Deathcool replaced the green stuff GM used. It was a totally reformulated product that GM hoped would last longer than the green stuff. And since they have a lot of pensions to pay, it is helpful having a name they can license for other companies to make Deathcool. Of course history has shown us a lot of people have had problems with Deathcool and have actually replaced it with the green stuff. A class-action lawsuit against a coolant technology says it all. I am pretty sure green, Asian, and G-05 have never been sued.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
First off I think I think Zerex's Application Chart is a bunch of baloney. I think they recommend Dexcool for just about everything on one of their charts I've seen. To use your statement earlier, it's all about $$$. Of course Dexcool is not going to meet GM spec for Green. Now, I think I see what you are meaning by "G-05 is a direct replacement for Green". G-05 is very similar to Green and because of the OAT it has a longer service life than Green. But keep in mind we are not talking about filling classic cars that maybe ahve iron blocks, brass radiators etc, that originally were factory filled with Green. Those cars should get Green anyway, and perhaps you're right G-05 is the next most compatible choice. We were discussing cars that did not come with green originally. Also what you are saying only supports my staements earlier that Green worked fine in Asian cars.
Baloney? So a company that says there should be multiple coolants available is wrong? That's nuts. At least Zerex and Havoline offer G-05, Deathcool, and green. Zerex takes it a step further with their Asian and Extended Life formulations. In a nutshell, Zerex has 5 possibilities to choose from and Havoline has 3.
On the rest of your quote, very good! But somehow you have this idea that I am trying to get to OP to switch the G-05 when I am not. I am STRONGLY advising the OP to use Asian HOAT coolant for his Asian vehicle. And you are wrong about the classics. G-05 is superb in them...
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/02q2/dr._turcotte_writes_a_few_coolant_prescriptions.-column
"Turcotte says G-05 is less radical than Extended Life, and it's backward and forward compatible, which means that it can be mixed with green conventional antifreeze or the latest inorganic types. It's particularly well-suited to keeper cars, he thinks, because of the way it combats the sort of corrosion that comes with being a garage potato."
Turcotte is smarter than probably anyone on this board in regards to coolant.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
That is a bold statement that isn't support with real facts. Dexcool might very well protect against corrosion as well or better than those two with out these inorganic inhibitors. And also Peak Global might too. Silicates and phosphates are not th same thing anyway. Dexcool, protects very well against corrosion of aluminum if no air is present in the cooling system. How many times do I have to say that?
I am wondering if you have Deathcool stock or something. I stand by that bold statement. Prove me wrong if you can which you cannot. So you want the OP to use Deathcool? Are you crazy? How many times do I have to tell YOU that if OEM requires a phosphate HOAT or a silicate HOAT that it is best to stick to that formulation? Deathcool doesn't meet this requirement nor do any of the Deathclones nor does Peak GL.
TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER:
It's really your decision on what you want to use. You should really stick with the OEM recommended fluid which is Asian phosphate HOAT coolant.
It' s not just about money, but meeting a standard and compatibility and reputation. Peak claims compatibility. G-05 doesn't, and do you think G-05 production isn't about money too?
Sure it is. The point is Peak GL is an unique product that is patented by Peak. However, it CANNOT be compatible if it doesn't contain phosphates from Asian vehicles and it cannot be compatible with other vehicles that require silicates.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I don't possess this knowledge? If you say so. What was Dexcool replacing? Green. If you are trying to say G-05 was back-speced for Green by a manufacture, that is not the real reason why it was selected in the first place. You acknowleded that G-05 was a European long-life coolant for some time, so it was chosen by Ford and Chrysler to replace Green, just as Dexcool was first chosen by GM. You are kind of going in circles here I think, and I'm not really getting your point. Anyway, Your reply here really had no relation to the reason I disagree with you in the other thread.
Where do I begin? Yes Deathcool replaced the green stuff GM used. It was a totally reformulated product that GM hoped would last longer than the green stuff. And since they have a lot of pensions to pay, it is helpful having a name they can license for other companies to make Deathcool. Of course history has shown us a lot of people have had problems with Deathcool and have actually replaced it with the green stuff. A class-action lawsuit against a coolant technology says it all. I am pretty sure green, Asian, and G-05 have never been sued.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
First off I think I think Zerex's Application Chart is a bunch of baloney. I think they recommend Dexcool for just about everything on one of their charts I've seen. To use your statement earlier, it's all about $$$. Of course Dexcool is not going to meet GM spec for Green. Now, I think I see what you are meaning by "G-05 is a direct replacement for Green". G-05 is very similar to Green and because of the OAT it has a longer service life than Green. But keep in mind we are not talking about filling classic cars that maybe ahve iron blocks, brass radiators etc, that originally were factory filled with Green. Those cars should get Green anyway, and perhaps you're right G-05 is the next most compatible choice. We were discussing cars that did not come with green originally. Also what you are saying only supports my staements earlier that Green worked fine in Asian cars.
Baloney? So a company that says there should be multiple coolants available is wrong? That's nuts. At least Zerex and Havoline offer G-05, Deathcool, and green. Zerex takes it a step further with their Asian and Extended Life formulations. In a nutshell, Zerex has 5 possibilities to choose from and Havoline has 3.
On the rest of your quote, very good! But somehow you have this idea that I am trying to get to OP to switch the G-05 when I am not. I am STRONGLY advising the OP to use Asian HOAT coolant for his Asian vehicle. And you are wrong about the classics. G-05 is superb in them...
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/02q2/dr._turcotte_writes_a_few_coolant_prescriptions.-column
"Turcotte says G-05 is less radical than Extended Life, and it's backward and forward compatible, which means that it can be mixed with green conventional antifreeze or the latest inorganic types. It's particularly well-suited to keeper cars, he thinks, because of the way it combats the sort of corrosion that comes with being a garage potato."
Turcotte is smarter than probably anyone on this board in regards to coolant.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
That is a bold statement that isn't support with real facts. Dexcool might very well protect against corrosion as well or better than those two with out these inorganic inhibitors. And also Peak Global might too. Silicates and phosphates are not th same thing anyway. Dexcool, protects very well against corrosion of aluminum if no air is present in the cooling system. How many times do I have to say that?
I am wondering if you have Deathcool stock or something. I stand by that bold statement. Prove me wrong if you can which you cannot. So you want the OP to use Deathcool? Are you crazy? How many times do I have to tell YOU that if OEM requires a phosphate HOAT or a silicate HOAT that it is best to stick to that formulation? Deathcool doesn't meet this requirement nor do any of the Deathclones nor does Peak GL.
TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER:
It's really your decision on what you want to use. You should really stick with the OEM recommended fluid which is Asian phosphate HOAT coolant.