I have about 20 of the Pure One equivalents I'm hoping Purolator doesn't follow the trend.
The Motorcraft FL400S just got smaller?
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Originally Posted By: sayjac
How long is your average OCI? If it's ~5k you should be good to go. If you run extended OCI's the silicone adbv would be more reliable. That said, may have run the nitrile with no issues for longer than 5k. If your vehicle seems more susceptible to start up rattle the silicone would be better. Don't think it would hurt to try an MC filter using nitrile though.
I do 3K oil changes with Valvoline or Valvoline MaxLife on all my vehicles.
How long is your average OCI? If it's ~5k you should be good to go. If you run extended OCI's the silicone adbv would be more reliable. That said, may have run the nitrile with no issues for longer than 5k. If your vehicle seems more susceptible to start up rattle the silicone would be better. Don't think it would hurt to try an MC filter using nitrile though.
I do 3K oil changes with Valvoline or Valvoline MaxLife on all my vehicles.
we have not gotten any of the shorter FL400's yet. we have plenty of the shorter FL-820S's and whenever we get a box of the taller ones i buy them out and throw them in my personal stash.
Originally Posted By: JustinC25
I emailed purolator the other day, but I think they are still off for thanksgiving. I'll let you know what they say when I get a response.
Thanks!
I emailed purolator the other day, but I think they are still off for thanksgiving. I'll let you know what they say when I get a response.
Thanks!
just got a few cases of the shorter FL400S's. the way my shelving is setup they are next to the FL500S filters that the newer models are taking and they appear to be the same size.
Apparently they are researching this.
Here is the current email trail:
To: Hull Katrina (AA-FI/MKT1-NA)
Subject: Motorcraft FL-400S Oil Filter Size Reduction.
Hello,
I was Just curious as to why you have reduced the size of the Motorcraft
FL-400S oil filter.
I contacted Ford Motor Co. and they said to contact Purolator.
Also will this change apply to regular Purolator products, and the Bosch
line, or just the Motorcraft line ?
The size change is significant enough that I don't want to buy this
filter anymore.
However if the Purolator Classic, or PureOne lines are still the same
size then I will use one of them. If not I'll have to start using a Wix
filter.
This is unfortunate as I prefer Purolator filters to Wix products.
Thank You in advance for your response,
Justin Cartier
I am going to ask Sharon Donehue our Motorcraft Accounts Manager for
Purolator to provide that information. She worked with Ford on this
change.
Sharon... Can you provide the explanation for Justin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Hull Katrina (AA-FI/MKT1-NA) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:24 PM
To: Adams, Hilda
Subject: FW: Motorcraft FL-400S Oil Filter Size Reduction.
Hi Hilda,
Can you please advise.
Thank you.
Katrina S. Hull
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Robert Bosch, LLC
AA-FI/MKT1-NA
*Thank you for your interest in our Purolator Filtration products. I
will review your request and respond promptly.*
Justin:
I am going to ask Sharon Donehue our Motorcraft Accounts Manager for
Purolator to provide that information. She worked with Ford on this
change.
Sharon... Can you provide the explanation for Justin.
Hilda
Here is the current email trail:
To: Hull Katrina (AA-FI/MKT1-NA)
Subject: Motorcraft FL-400S Oil Filter Size Reduction.
Hello,
I was Just curious as to why you have reduced the size of the Motorcraft
FL-400S oil filter.
I contacted Ford Motor Co. and they said to contact Purolator.
Also will this change apply to regular Purolator products, and the Bosch
line, or just the Motorcraft line ?
The size change is significant enough that I don't want to buy this
filter anymore.
However if the Purolator Classic, or PureOne lines are still the same
size then I will use one of them. If not I'll have to start using a Wix
filter.
This is unfortunate as I prefer Purolator filters to Wix products.
Thank You in advance for your response,
Justin Cartier
I am going to ask Sharon Donehue our Motorcraft Accounts Manager for
Purolator to provide that information. She worked with Ford on this
change.
Sharon... Can you provide the explanation for Justin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Hull Katrina (AA-FI/MKT1-NA) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:24 PM
To: Adams, Hilda
Subject: FW: Motorcraft FL-400S Oil Filter Size Reduction.
Hi Hilda,
Can you please advise.
Thank you.
Katrina S. Hull
-------------------------------------------------
Robert Bosch, LLC
AA-FI/MKT1-NA
*Thank you for your interest in our Purolator Filtration products. I
will review your request and respond promptly.*
Justin:
I am going to ask Sharon Donehue our Motorcraft Accounts Manager for
Purolator to provide that information. She worked with Ford on this
change.
Sharon... Can you provide the explanation for Justin.
Hilda
Just got this reply from Purolator:
Hilda/Justin,
I am checking with engineering to see what drove the change, but I do
know for certain that the new design/size had to meet all of the same
Ford performance specifications.
If I am able to find out more information, I will pass it along.
Regards,
Sharon
Hilda/Justin,
I am checking with engineering to see what drove the change, but I do
know for certain that the new design/size had to meet all of the same
Ford performance specifications.
If I am able to find out more information, I will pass it along.
Regards,
Sharon
Very Nice, could they shed some light on if the Bosch and P1 are the same filter?
Once again, more proof of Purolator's responsive CS department. And as said, the design change would be done to Motorcraft specs only.
Justin,
You might want to remove at least your email address from that posting.
You might want to remove at least your email address from that posting.
Here is the latest from purolator:
Justin,
Eventually the aftermarket lines will reduce the height on their FL400S
equivalent. This has not happened yet and I am not sure of the exact
timing, but I have been told that they intend to make the change.
We obviously do not want to lose you as a loyal customer. Please be
assured that we have done our due diligence to ensure that the shortened
version still meets all of the Ford O.E. specifications. This change
was reviewed and approved by Ford engineering.
If you have any additional questions, please let me know.
Best Regards,
Sharon
Justin,
Eventually the aftermarket lines will reduce the height on their FL400S
equivalent. This has not happened yet and I am not sure of the exact
timing, but I have been told that they intend to make the change.
We obviously do not want to lose you as a loyal customer. Please be
assured that we have done our due diligence to ensure that the shortened
version still meets all of the Ford O.E. specifications. This change
was reviewed and approved by Ford engineering.
If you have any additional questions, please let me know.
Best Regards,
Sharon
Originally Posted By: JustinC25
Please be assured that we have done our due diligence to ensure that the shortened version still meets all of the Ford O.E. specifications. This change was reviewed and approved by Ford engineering.
Kudos that they are giving personal attention to your questions, but the answer is somewhat generic/feel good and does not answer your question "Why the change".
The wording "almost implies" that this is a Purolator change, not Ford. I wonder if they are just revamping their entire line to consolidate sizes, trim costs, and increase profits?
If this is a Ford change, then expect WIX to shorten theirs also?
Please be assured that we have done our due diligence to ensure that the shortened version still meets all of the Ford O.E. specifications. This change was reviewed and approved by Ford engineering.
Kudos that they are giving personal attention to your questions, but the answer is somewhat generic/feel good and does not answer your question "Why the change".
The wording "almost implies" that this is a Purolator change, not Ford. I wonder if they are just revamping their entire line to consolidate sizes, trim costs, and increase profits?
If this is a Ford change, then expect WIX to shorten theirs also?
I just reasked the question why. Here is the last email I sent her:
Sharon,
Was additional media added to compensate for the reduced can size ? My main concern is the reduction in oil capacity within the filter can. This and the fact that the longer style filter is much easier to reach on my Windstar, due to it's placement deep in the subframe.
Why was this change implemented ? I can only speculate, but I would think maybe it was to save on metal costs, or to make the filter fit on a new application where the older style wouldn't fit, to consolidate filter models.
Thanks So Much for your Quick responses,
Justin
Sharon,
Was additional media added to compensate for the reduced can size ? My main concern is the reduction in oil capacity within the filter can. This and the fact that the longer style filter is much easier to reach on my Windstar, due to it's placement deep in the subframe.
Why was this change implemented ? I can only speculate, but I would think maybe it was to save on metal costs, or to make the filter fit on a new application where the older style wouldn't fit, to consolidate filter models.
Thanks So Much for your Quick responses,
Justin
Originally Posted By: JustinC25
Here is the latest from purolator:
Eventually the aftermarket lines will reduce the height on their FL400S
equivalent. This has not happened yet and I am not sure of the exact
timing, but I have been told that they intend to make the change.
I guess this means that we should buy up all the old stock while we still can.
Here is the latest from purolator:
Eventually the aftermarket lines will reduce the height on their FL400S
equivalent. This has not happened yet and I am not sure of the exact
timing, but I have been told that they intend to make the change.
I guess this means that we should buy up all the old stock while we still can.
well this sucks, these were the only "larger" filters that fit my jeep and don't seem to have issues with the ADBV. The can didn't get any bigger in diameter did it?
Originally Posted By: afoulk
well this sucks, these were the only "larger" filters that fit my jeep and don't seem to have issues with the ADBV. The can didn't get any bigger in diameter did it?
Try the Purolator L25230, it's the same size as the old FL-400S and it's recommended for some Jeeps and used to be recommended for the Ford Escort ZX-2. It also has a thread-end bypass.
well this sucks, these were the only "larger" filters that fit my jeep and don't seem to have issues with the ADBV. The can didn't get any bigger in diameter did it?
Try the Purolator L25230, it's the same size as the old FL-400S and it's recommended for some Jeeps and used to be recommended for the Ford Escort ZX-2. It also has a thread-end bypass.
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