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Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors
By Jennifer Graham (CP)

SASKATOON — The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system, but she points out that many people have stories about times when things didn't go well for them or their family.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.

"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."

Copyright © 2009 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.
 
I hope someday american helthcare can be as "sick" as the canadian system. I find it funny that peoples big gripe in the U.S. with canadas system is "you have to wait to see a specialist" umm do people not know that there are many many people who cant even afford to see a "normal doctor" let alone a specialist! I have great insurance and I had a tumor in my knee last year. I had to pay $4000 ot of pocket for all of my mri's, surgery, and rehab. Many people could not afford that and would simply since it wasent a life threataning tumor gone on and let the tumor grow until they couldent use their leg.
 
Oh brother not a "Socialized Health Care doesn't work" thread.
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For every news story that people find that says this Canadian system isn't working, is going to implode, or is needs to be overhauled I can find one that says the absolute opposite.

As a Canadian who uses the system I have no problem with it. Sure there are things that could be better, but it's not terrible like US media likes you to believe or that news stories like this one make it out to be and if it is I haven't experienced it yet nor do I think I ever will.

When will people realize that all news does is promote fear so that people will consume more because of the fear. All the fear does is make you want to consume more news which drives their industry.
 
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Oh brother not a "Socialized Health Care doesn't work" thread.
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It's just more of the old "Look over there" argument.
 
It seems like health care has been "on the verge of collapse" for decades now. Not to say there can't be improvements, but I put the boy who cried "wolf" and the doctor who cried "give me money" in the same folder.
 
Originally Posted By: Vilan
It seems like health care has been "on the verge of collapse" for decades now. Not to say there can't be improvements, but I put the boy who cried "wolf" and the doctor who cried "give me money" in the same folder.
Well said bud!

This is exactly how I see it. They keep saying that a disaster is on the horizon, but it never comes and only once in the time I have been paying taxes have they had to raise taxes for the health care system.

Still when I compare what I make and the cost of living compared to my American friends/family living in the US the cost of living works out to be the same but the difference is my health care can't be canceled due to not paying my premiums, making a large claim which makes me "a big risk" etc.

Dunno about other Canadians but I would rather much have our system than that of the horror system in the US with greedy companies calling the shots on whether I live/die if I can't afford to pay for a surgery and my insurance has been canceled.
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Not some crazed Americam, or look over here. Look at who stated this and qet over yourselves that you are all that. LOL

The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize,
 
In all these health care crises posts it is someone from the US telling us how bad our health care system is. Why are no Canadains making these posts? The TV ads being shown in the US about the Canadian system are the worst fear-mongering I have ever seen, and almost totally false. I don't have to wait for some insurance company to decide if I will get treated; My doctor makes that decision.

As for the article in the OP, doctors are always negotiating to get a better deal for themsleves, that's the job of the Medical Assn. I would do the same
 
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It's not Canada's top doc, it is a spokesman for the doctor's union looking for more cash. Basically she's saying that in addition to the public option, some people would like to carry additional private insurance. That is a whole lot different from USA, where health care is MISSING IN ACTION, and DID NOT REPORT FOR DUTY. The American patient has been swindled, basically by himself. He refused to allow the government to cover him, because he did not want to be "socialized", so he died "for his cause".
All of Europe, also is "socialized", so you people who think that Regan won the cold war, think again: Canada and Europe are all socialized now, and only the American patient has rationed health care. The American gladly goes broke because he can't afford the bill, because he insists that the free market "must" be better. Each to his own. I wish I was so principled that I would rather the corporation get rich rather than myself get treated by a doctor, because the market decided I was too useless to the system to get health care. The US system is basically run by "death panels", insurance company executives that decide whether it is worthwhile to cover you, or not.
 
Privatized Health Care has been trying to make its way to Canada for years and the people of this great country keep resisting. For all we know this "Top-Doc" has his pockets lined regularly by the privatized health industry to promote such things.

Not like being that high up doesn't come with some corruption.

Also like Bluestream says... I don't see Canadian people saying what this guy is saying. So this "We all agree" is nonsense if you ask me. Poll the Canadian on this board and I'm sure you will get the same response I have given you.

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thats true why does this come out now? Because everyamerican is looking at the canadian system right now to see if it works.
 
this is "coming out now" because the media is owned by the insurance companies, who pay them to say what the business owners want them to. the patients do not own the media, business does, and the media is basically a spokesperson for business interests.
i'm surprised you think otherwise. commonly know as "he who pays the piper, also calls the tune".
we all used to laugh at state owned media of USSR, but business owned media is even worse.
welcome to your nightmare.
 
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As far as being "Socialized" I am not totally in favour of that word for the Canadian system. The system is private in the sense that doctors do not work for the govt as they do in the UK. The Govt acts as insurance company and as a "single payer" for the system. Health care is a right not a privilage. A nurse here makes $90,000 a year; that's not bad. US hospitals are always coming up with big bonuses to try hire our nurses as they are well trained. Any health care system can be improved, and it seems that everyone in the US wants some change, but to what? Unfortunately, politics and special interest groups are now involved at the expense of making some real change. We went through this debate in the late 60's when the first system was set up and the debate is long past.
 
it is illegal for a Canadian doctor to bill a patient for a covered service. the bill goes to the ministry of health, which is a branch of the government. that means it's socialized.

the UK also has a private system, in addition to the public option, where the patient's plan can also be billed. that is strictly voluntary, because all services are also covered by the public plan.
 
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Originally Posted By: ryland
thats true why does this come out now? Because everyamerican is looking at the canadian system right now to see if it works.
Ryland,

You are in Canada on vacation, take a minute to visit your nearest walk-in medical clinic and have a look for yourself. Don't actaully visit the doctor as it will cost you money because you aren't Canadian but just look at the waiting room and talk to the people.

If we had something to hide I don't think I would be posting this and asking you to do such a thing if I didn't have confidence in our system.

Not that I believe everything I hear/watch, but in the Michael Moore movie when he talks about Canadian health care, everything you see if true to a "T". Not saying I liked the movie or Michael Moore, but if you wanted to see Canadians talk about their system and see what our waiting times/treatment is like watch the movie for that point alone.

Originally Posted By: Bluestream
As far as being "Socialized" I am not totally in favour of that word for the Canadian system. The system is private in the sense that doctors do not work for the govt as they do in the UK. The Govt acts as insurance company and as a "single payer" for the system. Health care is a right not a privilage. A nurse here makes $90,000 a year; that's not bad. US hospitals are always coming up with big bonuses to try hire our nurses as they are well trained. Any health care system can be improved, and it seems that everyone in the US wants some change, but to what? Unfortunately, politics and special interest groups are now involved at the expense of making some real change. We went through this debate in the late 60's when the first system was set up and the debate is long past.


Yeah wrong choice of words... But whatever you want to call it, it isn't the American system and for that I'm very happy.
 
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
it is illegal for a Canadian doctor to bill a patient for a covered service. the bill goes to the ministry of health, which is a branch of the government. that means it's socialized.

the UK also has a private system, in addition to the public option, where the patient's plan can also be billed. that is strictly voluntary, because all services are also covered by the public plan.


I would disagree, but it's a mute point. In the UK doctors are directly employed by the Gov't and must do what the Gov't tells them to do. Here they are private, and take on patients only if they want them, and can drop patients if they don't want them. They can go on hoilidays for 6 months if they want.

Non-covered services are billed to the patient, Group helath plans cover some of those services depending on the plan
 
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In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.



In other words ...promote that something is broken so you can fix it in the most profitable manner.

AKA: create a movement in the herd of physicians appealing to their "self interests". Get a enough moving, you can then bankrupt the current functional system for lack of participation.

I will bet dimes to dollars that this originated from US physicians to buy out the competition. It has the foul stench of corrupt Americanized commerce. They groomed it and added some starch to the material ..but it's still a polyester knockoff.
 
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Non-covered services are billed to the patient, Group helath plans cover some of those services depending on the plan


For the Americans in the group, explain what these non-services that aren't covered are before someone blows it out of proportion and thinks that things like heart-surgery isn't covered etc.
 
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