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Once clean, you don't need the same concentration levels.
There are way too many clauses to the "story"
There are way too many clauses to the "story"
Mobil 1 better cleaner than AutoRx?
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I'd use it in PAO for maintenance but definititely not for a cleaning run.
UOA has shown improved wear numbers as well as TBN with PAO oils.
Also for the cost of a short OCI after gunk, that would have paid for the bottle of ARX used in the cleaning dose. With the standard ARX cleaning process with dino, the user gets the full benefit of the dino oil in both cleaning and rinsing.
Also for the cost of a short OCI after gunk, that would have paid for the bottle of ARX used in the cleaning dose. With the standard ARX cleaning process with dino, the user gets the full benefit of the dino oil in both cleaning and rinsing.
Thanks for the reply Rick20. I'm trying to learn about the product because I've read so many good things about it here.
Friendly word of advise from someone who was raised in a family business. It's the cheap shots you take at other competitors products, like the "Gunk" comment that's a turn off and could possibly hurt sales for your boss. You seem very knowledgeable, let a good product sell itself w/o the cheap shots. I'm not the only member turned off by these kinds of comments.
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Friendly word of advise from someone who was raised in a family business. It's the cheap shots you take at other competitors products, like the "Gunk" comment that's a turn off and could possibly hurt sales for your boss. You seem very knowledgeable, let a good product sell itself w/o the cheap shots. I'm not the only member turned off by these kinds of comments.
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ADFD1,
I don't have a boss other than myself. You were the one to suggest a short OCI after running the gunk engine flush. I am in agreement with you. I was merely pointing out the cost associated with it. Point well taken. I will make a best effort to be more polically correct in future posts.
For the record, I am dedicated to green science.
I don't have a boss other than myself. You were the one to suggest a short OCI after running the gunk engine flush. I am in agreement with you. I was merely pointing out the cost associated with it. Point well taken. I will make a best effort to be more polically correct in future posts.
For the record, I am dedicated to green science.
Originally Posted By: Rick20
ADFD1,
I don't have a boss other than myself. You were the one to suggest a short OCI after running the gunk engine flush. I am in agreement with you. I was merely pointing out the cost associated with it. Point well taken. I will make a best effort to be more polically correct in future posts.
For the record, I am dedicated to green science.
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ADFD1,
I don't have a boss other than myself. You were the one to suggest a short OCI after running the gunk engine flush. I am in agreement with you. I was merely pointing out the cost associated with it. Point well taken. I will make a best effort to be more polically correct in future posts.
For the record, I am dedicated to green science.
AD
Two thumbs up to you.
If you use a good oil, and change it according to the proper OCI, then you should not need AutoRx or SeaFoam or any other engine cleaner.
If you need something to clean the inside of your engine, then by definition you are not using the right oil or right OCI.
If you need something to clean the inside of your engine, then by definition you are not using the right oil or right OCI.
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It has worked for me.........
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It has worked for me.........
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If you use a good oil, and change it according to the proper OCI, then you should not need AutoRx or SeaFoam or any other engine cleaner.
If you need something to clean the inside of your engine, then by definition you are not using the right oil or right OCI.
I would agree with that, unless the engine is a known sludger.
If you use a good oil, and change it according to the proper OCI, then you should not need AutoRx or SeaFoam or any other engine cleaner.
If you need something to clean the inside of your engine, then by definition you are not using the right oil or right OCI.
I would agree with that, unless the engine is a known sludger.
Again rubbish. Engines get dirty quickly with even full syn and 'normal' oci. My BMW has had M1 0W40/OEM filter changes every 8,000 kms instead of the Service Condition oci's of about 25,000 kms oci's. RX early on second clean phase has been transformed, heck even the VANOS rattle has gone (seal rejuvenation). Two seperate indy shop owners commented how quiet and smooth it is compared to others of it's age and mileage, I'll let them know when I have finished testing.
Sprintman,
Not being a jerk, but do you have more evidence other than just the 1 engine?
I have seen hundreds of engines a part while dad was replacing head gaskets, or rebuilding them etc.
All these engines were run on Dino oils and some weren't changed as often as they should be. (understatement) and they were as clean as a whistle with nothing more than a bit of varnish!
I believe that ARX does work and does a great job as I have seen it with my dads Caravan engine, my Neon and my partners Escort, but to say that all engines "get dirty" on their own I don't think is true, at least from what I have seen.
(The 3 engines I used ARX in weren't maintained the best before I got hold of them, and used "over-spent" oil on a regular basis!)
Not being a jerk, but do you have more evidence other than just the 1 engine?
I have seen hundreds of engines a part while dad was replacing head gaskets, or rebuilding them etc.
All these engines were run on Dino oils and some weren't changed as often as they should be. (understatement) and they were as clean as a whistle with nothing more than a bit of varnish!
I believe that ARX does work and does a great job as I have seen it with my dads Caravan engine, my Neon and my partners Escort, but to say that all engines "get dirty" on their own I don't think is true, at least from what I have seen.
(The 3 engines I used ARX in weren't maintained the best before I got hold of them, and used "over-spent" oil on a regular basis!)
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I have likely over spent on religious 3k dino oil changes in several vehicles over the years, but have always found some real world benefits from ARX cleansings. Seal weepage cured, emissions reduced, and additional mpg on a couple. May be it is because of of a lot of short trip driving. I can honestly say that they all performed as good if not better than when purchased, when I retired them all. Drive train condition was likely the best part of all 4 when sold or retired.
Originally Posted By: Rick20
I have likely over spent on religious 3k dino oil changes in several vehicles over the years, but have always found some real world benefits from ARX cleansings. Seal weepage cured, emissions reduced, and additional mpg on a couple. May be it is because of of a lot of short trip driving. I can honestly say that they all performed as good if not better than when purchased, when I retired them all. Drive train condition was likely the best part of all 4 when sold or retired.
Rick, using this product in engines as General maintenance, or cleaning up someone else's abuse... I would totally agree with you.
What bothers me is that Sprintman is suggesting that engines "get dirty" on their own even with regular maintenance.
Some engines might because of poor design, but this is rare and far/few in between and I think basing this on 1 BMW engine is not right, but I will wait to see what other engines he has as an example, because maybe it's just my luck and I have seen too many that didn't suffer from this. I could very well be wrong as I don't claim to be an expert, I'm just stating what I have seen in the engines my dad has torn apart.
I have likely over spent on religious 3k dino oil changes in several vehicles over the years, but have always found some real world benefits from ARX cleansings. Seal weepage cured, emissions reduced, and additional mpg on a couple. May be it is because of of a lot of short trip driving. I can honestly say that they all performed as good if not better than when purchased, when I retired them all. Drive train condition was likely the best part of all 4 when sold or retired.
Rick, using this product in engines as General maintenance, or cleaning up someone else's abuse... I would totally agree with you.
What bothers me is that Sprintman is suggesting that engines "get dirty" on their own even with regular maintenance.
Some engines might because of poor design, but this is rare and far/few in between and I think basing this on 1 BMW engine is not right, but I will wait to see what other engines he has as an example, because maybe it's just my luck and I have seen too many that didn't suffer from this. I could very well be wrong as I don't claim to be an expert, I'm just stating what I have seen in the engines my dad has torn apart.
Engines (barring those with design flaws) that are properly maintained and run with the proper grade oil at the proper OCI for the kind of service they experience should never need anything in the sump other than oil.
Well then, I must ask why most all the major oil manufactureres are suddenly now advertising how well their oil can dissolve harmful deposits. Whether they do or not is suspect. XYZ brand will dissolve 14% of deposits in the first oil change. ZYX product claims it can dissolve 46%, in the first oil change. Is that after their own products some what failed over the last year or too? Then you have the fuel people, showing the valve deposits from their gasoline compared to what? Their gas a year ago or a competators? This is all marketing [censored], to some extent in my humble opinion. If it is true, their claims, then perhaps they have listened to the folks here in the BITOG additive section. Don't even get me started on the OEM recommended oil change intervals.
I'm with Sprintman on this issue.
I'm with Sprintman on this issue.
I thought I was doing a good job keeping my engine clean. I have run 3,000 mile OCIs for years untill a couple years ago. Then I switched to a 5,000 mile OCI.
In the past I have changed my own oil, kept up with maintenance, but wasnt really anal about things. Was my car taken care of? Yes.
Was I taking exceptional care of it? Probably better than most people out there.
However, I am on my 2nd Clean phase of Auto RX and am still getting junk out of the engine.
If you run normal dino, or high end syntheic, you are getting the best lubricants mankind has ever developed. Your car will probably go 300,000-500,000 miles and have oodles of other issues when you finally decide to give another model a try.
Believe in Auto RX or not. You are getting some good stuff if all you stick with is SM quality lube.
Will you see an improvement with Auto RX? Perhaps.
Although I don't think most people know enough about their cars to care. It is only when it stops working that they care. However, if you have a problem, or think you do, or that you potentially have a problem with build up or sludge. I think that their is proof that Auto RX will help.
Once you know you have a sludge issue, I dont think their is a Synthetic out there that will do what Auto RX will do. If there is I dont think the members of this board have been exposed to it.
In the past I have changed my own oil, kept up with maintenance, but wasnt really anal about things. Was my car taken care of? Yes.
Was I taking exceptional care of it? Probably better than most people out there.
However, I am on my 2nd Clean phase of Auto RX and am still getting junk out of the engine.
If you run normal dino, or high end syntheic, you are getting the best lubricants mankind has ever developed. Your car will probably go 300,000-500,000 miles and have oodles of other issues when you finally decide to give another model a try.
Believe in Auto RX or not. You are getting some good stuff if all you stick with is SM quality lube.
Will you see an improvement with Auto RX? Perhaps.
Although I don't think most people know enough about their cars to care. It is only when it stops working that they care. However, if you have a problem, or think you do, or that you potentially have a problem with build up or sludge. I think that their is proof that Auto RX will help.
Once you know you have a sludge issue, I dont think their is a Synthetic out there that will do what Auto RX will do. If there is I dont think the members of this board have been exposed to it.
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