Originally Posted by super20dan
yes I have first hand experience with this pos from gm. my nextdoor neighbor who has blind alligence to gm bought a 2010 and did no research. my neighbor knows I am execellent with cars and expects me to help him out with every little problem with all his cars. he bought it brand new. at 27k the first timming chain went. then it started using oil like they all do. to makes matters worse he NEVER checks the oil and ran it down to 3 and even 4 quarts low several times. he,s an idiot but lets move on. at 60k the second chain started making noise. his wife knocked on the door and said it was running bad and several dash lights were on. I pulled the dipstick-nothing- took 4 quarts. I explained the best thing was to trade it in asap.
Let's roll this back a second here. So you've got a guy who habitually runs a car out of oil, but somehow this is the engine's fault that it experiences issues from this? And you are hanging your hat on this as "proof positive" that the engine in question is junk?
Originally Posted by super20dan
for once the took my advice but bought a jeep cheroke with the 8speed trans.
No he didn't. The KL Jeep Cherokee has the ZF 9spd,
Originally Posted by super20dan
again did NO research. cant fix stupid and I got lucky as he moved .
Apparently you didn't sufficiently research the vehicles you are railing agains here either...
Originally Posted by super20dan
when it came to buy a car for his daughter. he picked a 2008 dodge charger 2.7. again no research.
Agreed on that one, that's a bonehead move, the 2.7L was a pile.
Originally Posted by super20dan
well shortly the water pump started leaking and you can guess the rest.
No surprise there unfortunately.
Originally Posted by super20dan
a also find this form to be an execellent place to learn more about cars and am glad people share their misfortunes so others can avoid bad cars and desighns.
Agreed, but we need to be careful about drawing broad conclusions from an extremely narrow sample size as well. An example is the KL Jeep mentioned above. While both FCA and Honda had some teething issues with that transmission initially, I believe it's been fully sorted at this point. That's not to be confused with the excellent ZF 8HP used in the LX cars, trucks, Grand Cherokee and Durango.
This incarnation of the Ecotec may in fact be junk, but I'd be hard pressed to draw that conclusion from the data you've shared, which reeks of owner abuse and neglect rather than a problematic and failure prone design.