What engine oils would have these basestocks ?
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XOM Synthetic basestocks for automotive engine oil
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It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
By the same token, they could choose poor base stocks and the consumer would never know...
It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
By the same token, they could choose poor base stocks and the consumer would never know...
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
By the same token, they could choose poor base stocks and the consumer would never know...
I guess maybe some consumers wouldn't know, but "never" is a pretty strong word. Say an oil is supposed to be a stout racing oil and goes south in a couple thousand miles, thins to water or worse.....I dunno. I don't see this happening. Maybe you have an example?
Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
By the same token, they could choose poor base stocks and the consumer would never know...
I guess maybe some consumers wouldn't know, but "never" is a pretty strong word. Say an oil is supposed to be a stout racing oil and goes south in a couple thousand miles, thins to water or worse.....I dunno. I don't see this happening. Maybe you have an example?
I have a feeling that Amsoil uses some of these high quality PAO's. What do you think Pablo?
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PAO can be blended in to an optimal point, no need for it to be a super-majority item, especially if grpIII has better oxidation resistance. Just need enough to get the cold temp properties right.
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
By the same token, they could choose poor base stocks and the consumer would never know...
Uh, this is where HTHS and having German OEM approvals like MB 229.5 and Porsche A40 come into play.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
By the same token, they could choose poor base stocks and the consumer would never know...
Uh, this is where HTHS and having German OEM approvals like MB 229.5 and Porsche A40 come into play.
I have zero idea of Amsoil's actual formulations. Telling DJ's that kind of stuff is the same as telling the public. But I know from what I can pick up, Amsoil doesn't buy the cheap stuff.
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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Pablo said:
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Say an oil is supposed to be a stout racing oil and goes south in a couple thousand miles, thins to water or worse.
Forget "stout racing oils" this doesn't even happen with the cheapest API name brand dino's any more.
Well, just saying - please don't take it so literally. OK, after 5K or 10k the oil starts breaking down and leaving deposits. This happens.
5W-30's go into SAE 20 range all the time (by design). NOT SAYING THIS IS A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Say an oil is supposed to be a stout racing oil and goes south in a couple thousand miles, thins to water or worse.
Forget "stout racing oils" this doesn't even happen with the cheapest API name brand dino's any more.
Well, just saying - please don't take it so literally. OK, after 5K or 10k the oil starts breaking down and leaving deposits. This happens.
5W-30's go into SAE 20 range all the time (by design). NOT SAYING THIS IS A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!
Now you're back tracking on what you said.
I'm saying there are no bad oils, some have more limitations than others.
I'm saying there are no bad oils, some have more limitations than others.
Well not really backtracking - you must admit a dino group I, II and most all III's would indeed suffer quite a viscosity drop in abusive race situations. It happens, so I'm not back tracking. The point is, I think people would know if an unscrupulous oil blender started using cheap brightstock or other unsuitable base oils. I think this was the challenge, no?
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
By the same token, they could choose poor base stocks and the consumer would never know...
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Truth is XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using, the end user can only guess.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's just great to know blenders can choose the best from XOM, Chevron, etc to formulate great oils.
By the same token, they could choose poor base stocks and the consumer would never know...
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Truth is XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using, the end user can only guess.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Truth is XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using, the end user can only guess.
Truth? Please provide proof.
XOM of course knows what Amsoil buys from XOM. But other than reverse engineering, please explain how "XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using"?
As for guessing and Amsoil............that's hilarious, because yeah right, everyone knows exactly the formulation of XOM oils are! And all other oils as well.
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Truth is XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using, the end user can only guess.
Truth? Please provide proof.
XOM of course knows what Amsoil buys from XOM. But other than reverse engineering, please explain how "XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using"?
As for guessing and Amsoil............that's hilarious, because yeah right, everyone knows exactly the formulation of XOM oils are! And all other oils as well.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Truth is XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using, the end user can only guess.
Truth? Please provide proof.
XOM of course knows what Amsoil buys from XOM. But other than reverse engineering, please explain how "XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using"?
As for guessing and Amsoil............that's hilarious, because yeah right, everyone knows exactly the formulation of XOM oils are! And all other oils as well.
Lets see, if Amsoil buys from XOM then XOM knows what Amsoil is using, actually that's pretty simple. IIRC you mentioned more than once Amsoil does business with XOM. I have no clue what XOM uses, I never said I did. IIRC I'm pretty sure one of the Amsoil reps, it might have been you, said an oil company can reverse engineer a product and know exactly what is used. No big secret there either.
Looks like we agree.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Truth is XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using, the end user can only guess.
Truth? Please provide proof.
XOM of course knows what Amsoil buys from XOM. But other than reverse engineering, please explain how "XOM knows exactly what Amsoil is using"?
As for guessing and Amsoil............that's hilarious, because yeah right, everyone knows exactly the formulation of XOM oils are! And all other oils as well.
Lets see, if Amsoil buys from XOM then XOM knows what Amsoil is using, actually that's pretty simple. IIRC you mentioned more than once Amsoil does business with XOM. I have no clue what XOM uses, I never said I did. IIRC I'm pretty sure one of the Amsoil reps, it might have been you, said an oil company can reverse engineer a product and know exactly what is used. No big secret there either.
Looks like we agree.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Lets see, if Amsoil buys from XOM then XOM knows what Amsoil is using, actually that's pretty simple. IIRC you mentioned more than once Amsoil does business with XOM. I have no clue what XOM uses, I never said I did. IIRC I'm pretty sure one of the Amsoil reps, it might have been you, said an oil company can reverse engineer a product and know exactly what is used. No big secret there either.
Oh you think Amsoil only uses XOM basestock. Not correct.
So I agree in the sense that Amsoil can buy the best from XOM, Chevron, or any of the PAO and ester manufacturers.
Lets see, if Amsoil buys from XOM then XOM knows what Amsoil is using, actually that's pretty simple. IIRC you mentioned more than once Amsoil does business with XOM. I have no clue what XOM uses, I never said I did. IIRC I'm pretty sure one of the Amsoil reps, it might have been you, said an oil company can reverse engineer a product and know exactly what is used. No big secret there either.
Oh you think Amsoil only uses XOM basestock. Not correct.
So I agree in the sense that Amsoil can buy the best from XOM, Chevron, or any of the PAO and ester manufacturers.
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