Wow, blown away at Acura dealership service price

There's some bad timing chain setups out there. At least a TB is nominally designed for replacement. Albeit painful, but usually it's >100kmiles, and TBH, on the schedule. Annoying but pretty plannable.

But I have to admit, I'm rather squirrely about buying a vehicle that just had a TB job. To me it's not really value added--how do I know it was done right? On a non-interference engine, dieing on the road is problematic enough--having it trash the motor in the process would just be a bigger drop-kick down below.
 
VW has a few, Ford has a few, GM has a few, etc... examples of engines with timing chain problems.
There's some problems with timing chains stretching after a few 100k but I don't think I've ever heard of a timing chain completely breaking before 150-200k miles. It's definitely not the norm for the vast majority of American NA V6 car/minivan engines.
 
I agree with this, however if you have a specialist available why not?
Forgot one major reason - he's a 1-man operation. He answers the phone, writes up work orders, does the work, orders the parts, takes your payment, etc. It's just hard to get in with him unless it's planned maintenance (yes, a TB job would be). You can't drop your car off with him overnight or in the morning and get it back the same day or a day or two later (in most cases).
 
How often does a timing chain on an extremely mild NA V6 break and fail randomly? I'd wager probably about the same, statistically. The difference though is usually the timing chain engines aren't interference so it's not as catastrophic.
 
And people say NY is too expensive to run a profitable business 😉
He complains about it all the time, and it's getting old IMO
He whines about the People's Republic of NY, yet he takes on state vehicle work 🤷‍♂️
Why wouldn't he take on state vehicle work? Just because he doesn't like some of the rules and laws in NY? He is in business to make money so there is no reason to turn down business from state owned vehicles.
 
Timing chains are very durable and can last forever. The problem with them is that without proper maintenance (frequent oil changes) they can wear and lengthen. When this happens they start slapping against the chain guides. If the chain and guides are not replaced when this slapping sound starts, the plastic on the guides wears through and breaks into large and small pieces. This debris circulates through the engine leading to a very expensive repair or a ruined engine.
 
Forgot one major reason - he's a 1-man operation. He answers the phone, writes up work orders, does the work, orders the parts, takes your payment, etc. It's just hard to get in with him unless it's planned maintenance (yes, a TB job would be). You can't drop your car off with him overnight or in the morning and get it back the same day or a day or two later (in most cases).

Glad I don't have that problem.
Mine has a staff.
The major reason that I would take mine to a specialist (and I will admit that it is personal.)
I have had three timing belts replaced on my vehicles. throughout the years.
Only one was done right (a Honda through a dealer.)
The others: (a Mitsubishi 2.6 on a Chrysler, and a Toyota engine in a Chevy Nova) were both botched.
Both were done by separate independent mechanics, and amazingly in both cases, used the wrong belt.
Familiarity and repetition both have to be good for something.
 
Timing chains are very durable and can last forever. The problem with them is that without proper maintenance (frequent oil changes) they can wear and lengthen. When this happens they start slapping against the chain guides. If the chain and guides are not replaced when this slapping sound starts, the plastic on the guides wears through and breaks into large and small pieces. This debris circulates through the engine leading to a very expensive repair or a ruined engine.
Which is better than timing belts that aren't as durable and don't last forever and are interference engines. :LOL:
 
The last time I had this done was in Harrisburg, PA OOA 2015. Less than half the cost.

I knew I was going to pay normal price, but had no idea normal price was almost $1900. The trigger was the key of all things, when the called me and said over $500, when a dealer nine months ago in South Carolina was less than half of that price- I knew this dealer was exploitive.

I tried to stop the job, but they had alrready started, less than 90 minutes after I dropped the car off. And I had no appoitment.

This is my fault for not pre shopping. But I will be pre shopping this after the fact. And I will post np less than six competing dealerships quotes on google review. They dealership can exploit, and I can share the costs compared to other dealerships.
 
The last time I had this done was in Harrisburg, PA OOA 2015. Less than half the cost.

I knew I was going to pay normal price, but had no idea normal price was almost $1900. The trigger was the key of all things, when the called me and said over $500, when a dealer nine months ago in South Carolina was less than half of that price- I knew this dealer was exploitive.

I tried to stop the job, but they had alrready started, less than 90 minutes after I dropped the car off. And I had no appoitment.

This is my fault for not pre shopping. But I will be pre shopping this after the fact. And I will post np less than six competing dealerships quotes on google review. They dealership can exploit, and I can share the costs compared to other dealerships.
Light 'em up/ Look forward to reading your review
 
Why wouldn't he take on state vehicle work? Just because he doesn't like some of the rules and laws in NY? He is in business to make money so there is no reason to turn down business from state owned vehicles.
Perhaps state govt's are notorious for being slow payers?
 
Indeed you are. $200-$250/hr for labor. Cost of the Genuine Honda TB, Hydraulic tensioner and W/P have also risen significantly in the last few years.

It over $2500 now for the timing belt, water pump, hyd tensioner, plugs and valve adjustment. I have seen as high as $3K.

I got out of the business too soon.... the place I worked at charged 60 + tax (dealership), we got less than 1/3rd of that.
 
Glad I don't have that problem.
Mine has a staff.
The major reason that I would take mine to a specialist (and I will admit that it is personal.)
I have had three timing belts replaced on my vehicles. throughout the years.
Only one was done right (a Honda through a dealer.)
The others: (a Mitsubishi 2.6 on a Chrysler, and a Toyota engine in a Chevy Nova) were both botched.
Both were done by separate independent mechanics, and amazingly in both cases, used the wrong belt.
Familiarity and repetition both have to be good for something.
I thought the the Mitsubishi 2.6 used a timing chain. (Two actually - a 2nd one for the balance shafts.)

What model year was yours?
 
Dealer here is $125-140 hr.
They're pushing $200/hour here at the dealer, local shops are $150/hour or more. Diagnostics for my odometer issue ranges from $175-$218. I'm hoping a friend of mine comes through for me.
 
I had wife's 2017 Accord with 97000
done by a local independent shop. Aisin full kit with spark plugs replaced and valves adjusted, $1500. First time I ever had any mechanical work done by anyone other than myself. Old age and health issues do that to you.
 
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