Wouldn't a manual transmission be better in city traffic?

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I swear about every 800ft we have a stop light now in my area and combine that with all the people who drive 10 below the speed limit, you can get stopped at 5 in a row. Combine that with having a trailer and I think that's just hell on the transmission heat wise. After that hurricane I think the timing is off too on all these lights. Anyways, wouldn't a manual transmission be better in this situation? Minus the hassle of shifting? You don't necessarily have to go through all the gears just to stop in a line of cars
 
Having driven a manual transmission through that kind of traffic (New York City) on a regular basis - automatic all the way.

Every time you move from a stop - you’re slipping that clutch, not to mention working your left leg. Stuck in crawling traffic for an hour is rough on the clutch, and your leg.

A properly designed automatic has very little wear in the same traffic. You’re worried about heat, but again, properly designed, that transmission fluid is being cooled.
 
I know there's a macho factor about driving a manual (I learned to drive on one and most of first cars were stick shifts) but I got rid of my last one because of stop-and-go traffic. It just ended up being a pain in the rear. Nowadays with modern cars, there's little to no fuel economy benefit with manuals either.
 
It's only heck on the tranny heatwise if you put a lot of power into it. An automatic separates the driver from the machine, so he feels less "mechanical empathy" and may be harder on the equipment.

One doesn't have to be first to the light... if they see red ahead they can creep up to it at 25-30 mph.
 
Heat in an automatic can be mitigated.
The efforts needed to shift whilst in traffic are personally assessed. I think it sucks.

Rather pay for a clutch job over an auto's entire rebuild, I got that.

When the choice between an auto vs. a manual came up when I bought my 2007-which I'm still driving, I went for the automatic.
Population/traffic density could be the simplified metric I used. I don't remember...because it was a no-brainer.

I learned to drive stick during an evening rush hour in the middle of San Francisco.....so I earned my badge.
 
The best transmission for this kind of use is not a manual but a 4+ gen Ecvt like the one in the toyota lexus hybrids, no belt or chain. Gen 1-3 was more crude. Even if that wasn't the case I don't have the ankle, knee, and especially the sanity anymore to want to be in bumper to bumper city traffic in a manual.
 
Driving a manual depends mostly on the driver's habits, if you drive it like most people drive an automatic in city traffic, the clutch(maybe your knee!) won't last as long. But you also control the gear selection and you can see what's going on in front of you, and predict what's going to happen and can always be in the right gear at the right time and minimize shift and stopping, so it can be not too bad. The dumb automatics are annoying and probably the 3 shifts down and back up, everytime you're on and off the gas, isn't great, but most of them survive that well enough too. I tend to drive the Outback like my Focus, so it just goes from low idle to fast idle in traffic for the most part.
I certainly don't mind the odd time I get into city traffic with a manual, I just try to go the average speed of traffic and not actually stop too often to minimize slipping the clutch. Probably if I was in stop and go for more than a couple minutes everyday, I might want an automatic?
We've never replaced a clutch or done any work on any of our manuals, and the 3 cars so far seem to be scrapped or sold up near 200k miles. But we live out in the country, so if I come to an "effective" stop instead of complete stop, often the clutch is really only slips for a couple complete stops on most of my trips.
I used to do autocross with my old Focus and did dozens of race launches with it, but even with sticky-ish tires, its weight distribution and fwd prevents too much load on the clutch, and I didn't power shift it into 2nd, as it would just light up the inside tire and send you wide.

My .02$ is if you have some mechanical sympathy, almost all manuals will go the life of the car with a couple fluid changes.
 
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I used to not mind a stick, even in traffic. But times change. My knee is not getting younger.

Loved my TDi but idle in first was 5mph or faster. Problem is, traffic can often creep at slower speeds. So it was a lot of clutch modulation. Any speed above that wasn't too bad. But stop & go, or just rolling at 3mph, eh...
 
Loved my TDi but idle in first was 5mph or faster. Problem is, traffic can often creep at slower speeds. So it was a lot of clutch modulation. Any speed above that wasn't too bad. But stop & go, or just rolling at 3mph, eh...
I forget what kind of car it was, but someone on here was describing how the computer in their car would bump up the idle speed if it detected it had been idling longer than some pre-determined time. Apparently this was for emissions purposes. The result was just as you described.... Creeping along in gear became frustrating because the car wanted to idle too fast.
 
I forget what kind of car it was, but someone on here was describing how the computer in their car would bump up the idle speed if it detected it had been idling longer than some pre-determined time. Apparently this was for emissions purposes. The result was just as you described.... Creeping along in gear became frustrating because the car wanted to idle too fast.
I could see that. Need to keep the cat warm and all. In my case, the engine didn't have that problem, but that would have just made it all the worse, no doubt.

Hybrids really shine here. Maybe EV does too, but close enough.
 
When I was young I wouldn't have cared, at least most of the time. But try driving a temperamental early Corvette in the hilly parts of the Bay Area. Clutch replacement in SF was pretty much scheduled maintenance.
 
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