Will Mobil & SOPUS Develop R&P Equivalent ?

[Foxtrot08]

Seems like Havoline Pro-DS is a really good oil that never gained any traction. If you read the PDS it looks as good as any premium full syn on the shelf.

I would expect Chevron to be re-asserting themselves into the lubricants market.

Because “Ohio” happened.

 

[alcyon]

I think Mobil already has.. When I used the new "Triple Action" Mobil 1 advanced full synthetic 5w30 it cleaned up the Civic's engine in one oil change! There was only a amber patina to the upper valvetrain that I could see in the oil filler hole with my inspection camera. But it cleaned it up to the point the metal color is showing (light silver, dark grey), so to ask if Mobil has something, they already do!

This is from MOBIL's own website for triple action

They just said prevents build up. but nothing about removing pre existing build up.

 

[researcher]

This is from MOBIL's own website for triple action
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They just said prevents build up. but nothing about removing pre existing build up.

I'm not here to debate Mobil's marketing, only say what I experienced.. I was not expecting much. only a better oil than what I had been using, which the old stuff was shearing down way too quickly in an engine that is not hard on oil. But I saw Mobil 1 clean up the patina/varnish on my 96 Civic in one oil change! I was looking into the oil filler hole for the valvetrain. Sure, I didn't have sludge at all in the Civic's engine so I can't test that claim. But to clean up the patina/varnish that was there for years (28 year old engine at that point) was something that surprised me!

 

[TurboZedd-R]

Few things - marketing is what you do when you market a product. All products are marketed and use marketing. That word seems to be the scapegoat for people when they don't like what they are seeing. We have no idea at all if Amsoil SS, HPL can clean EXISTING ring deposits. Pure speculation.

Marketing is a process, not just an action. Marketing involves many things, one being advertising and creating awareness of specific benefits to buyers. Just because a product doesn't advertise something doesn't make it's effectiveness null. For example, does a steak need to advertise its high in protein and essential amino acids? No.

Since Valvoline doesn't advertise its oil can go 3k miles does that mean it can't, and are we speculating it can?

Im simply saying they chose a marketing path that highlights a gap in the market, which is active cleaning. Amsoil, HPL, redline, etc, can probably clean, just not as well as R&P. Those oils advertise extended drain and extreme protection, which R&P does not.

 

[Furious]

I would assume the Mobil equivalent would be the Extended Performance since they claim "helps remove sludge in just one oil change" while their regular line just says "extra additives to help fight sludge".

I did notice some cleaning on the baffle plate on my Toyota when I switched to Mobil 1 High Mileage 5w30 and it continues to slowly improve but on Toyotas it really cooks on the baffle plates so I don't expect anything crazy.

I do intend to stick to using Mobil 1 but don't know if I will give Extended Performance a try or not considering I only do 5,000 mile intervals.

 

[Foxtrot08]

My semi educated speculation:

This is a side effect from the GF7 update. Specifically with Afton based formulations.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

My semi educated speculation:

This is a side effect from the GF7 update. Specifically with Afton based formulations.

So perhaps most or all GF7 off the shelf synthetics may clean carbon deposits in the future? Not a guarantee but a possibility?

 

[Foxtrot08]

So perhaps most or all GF7 off the shelf synthetics may clean carbon deposits in the future? Not a guarantee but a possibility?

That’s my current theory after reading some data from Afton and Oronite.

 

[I<3oil]

My semi educated speculation:

This is a side effect from the GF7 update. Specifically with Afton based formulations.

Any public speculation on what the new wonder ingredient is?

 

[MolaKule]

Any public speculation on what the new wonder ingredient is?

A stab in the dark but it could be one of two ionic liquids such as: non-hydrophobic 2-ethylhexyl lactate or
1-ethyl-3-methylimidazolium acetate,

OR

a specially synthesized glycol ester.

 

[alcyon]

MOBIL 1 FS seems to be better at cleaning than the triple action one by their wording :

And for a 5W30, very high KV100

 

[ChrisD46]

I'm not here to debate Mobil's marketing, only say what I experienced.. I was not expecting much. only a better oil than what I had been using, which the old stuff was shearing down way too quickly in an engine that is not hard on oil. But I saw Mobil 1 clean up the patina/varnish on my 96 Civic in one oil change! I was looking into the oil filler hole for the valvetrain. Sure, I didn't have sludge at all in the Civic's engine so I can't test that claim. But to clean up the patina/varnish that was there for years (28 year old engine at that point) was something that surprised me!

*Carbon removal (per Valvoline R&P) is a different animal than sludge and varnish . I’ve used M15W30 EP + Rislone Engine Cleaner on a few occasions whereby Rislone claims ring cleaning . While I figure this oil combo to not hurt anything and probably helps - but using R&P alone is cheaper and may very well be better at removing hard , baked on deposits such as carbon .

 

[buster]

Whatever it is it chemically dissolves them. You're not going to see loaded up crud in filters if what they're saying is true.

 

[buster]

The YT channel - Bearded Ford Tech, said he is losing customers to Valvoline R&P. He's an Amsoil dealer. Amsoil responded, but notice they kind of dodged the question.

So if you look at what Amsoil is referring to, it's preventative on the deposit side but can clean exising sludge (so can most if not all full syn).

 

[02zx9r rev2]

And same, I don't use this product, nor I plan.

You sure get bent out of shape for a product you don’t use

 

[edyvw]

You sure get bent out of shape for a product you don’t use

It is forum where people discuss stuff.
In reality, people who claim to use R&P might be using olive oil. We will never know. It is internet. Then there are those who need confirmation bias for everything, from house purchase to oil choice.
And they might still use olive oil in the engine.

 

[Aston4]

It is forum where people discuss stuff.
In reality, people who claim to use R&P might be using olive oil. We will never know. It is internet. Then there are those who need confirmation bias for everything, from house purchase to oil choice.
And they might still use olive oil in the engine.

I have never seen any evidence olive oil is not a great lubricant. It may be superior. Italian race cars used olive oil exclusively in the 1930s before they switched to inferior dinosaur oil for cost savings. Makes the exhaust smell nice too. Olive oil cleans out arteries, makes sense it cleans up pistons too. With a good supply of olive trees, an olive press, and a diesel Mercedes, there is no need to buy lubricant or fuel from evil corporations who only want your money.

 

[edyvw]

I have never seen any evidence olive oil is not a great lubricant. It may be superior. Italian race cars used olive oil exclusively in the 1930s before they switched to inferior dinosaur oil for cost savings. Makes the exhaust smell nice too. Olive oil cleans out arteries, makes sense it cleans up pistons too. With a good supply of olive trees, an olive press, and a diesel Mercedes, there is no need to buy lubricant or fuel from evil corporations who only want your money.

There you go. And in Costco you can find one with traceable origins.
Only problem is, R&P is cheaper.

 

[thetricky]

Wo

If Mobil1 comes up with new marketing, maybe they saw some numbers changing.
Highly doubt. Valvoline came up with R&P, probably because. they need a boost in sales.
It is all about marketing, nothing else.
If someone wants truly better oil, your local WM has Euro offers too.

Woa now, that’s a bold claim. You are saying they are lying about the new claims on the bottle. Some fluff in the marketing, sure, to just rebottle one of their current offers or something similar, no.

 

[Glenda W.]

The YT channel - Bearded Ford Tech, said he is losing customers to Valvoline R&P. He's an Amsoil dealer. Amsoil responded, but notice they kind of dodged the question.

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So if you look at what Amsoil is referring to, it's preventative on the deposit side but can clean exising sludge (so can most if not all full syn).

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Some credit to Amsoil for not bad mouthing Valvoline. I’m not sure if Amsoil has tested their oils on cleaning known dirty pistons(you’d think they’d say so). Obviously it keeps pistons extremely clean, well beyond industry standards.