Why would you not want "MOLY?"
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Moly is only one of several AW/FM additives oil makers add to their product. ZDDP, antimony, calcium compounds and boron can perform similarly. It does seem to work synergistically with ZDDP but what is the magic additive mix.
Mobil 1, Schaeffer's and others accomplish excellent wear with a combo of ZDDP and moly. Amsoil also gets good wear with just a higher dose of ZDDP. Both methods accomplish the same end result.....unfortunately the high dose of ZDDP in Amsoil is not API kosher but that opens another can of worms.
[ June 24, 2003, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: mormit ]
Mobil 1, Schaeffer's and others accomplish excellent wear with a combo of ZDDP and moly. Amsoil also gets good wear with just a higher dose of ZDDP. Both methods accomplish the same end result.....unfortunately the high dose of ZDDP in Amsoil is not API kosher but that opens another can of worms.
[ June 24, 2003, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: mormit ]
This may be an ignorant question but why would you think the residue in your oil bottles is moly and not something else?
Guys, get a grip on yourself. Moly in today's oils do not fall out of suspension to the bottom of the oil bottle. Yes, back in earlier years this could have been true as in earlier years there were oils using a solid style of Mo. Now, the current type of moly is totally suspended just as zddp and the rest of the additives in common motor oils.
There are additives out there that do say SHAKE BEFORE USE and in cases such as that, you can bet that kind of additive will come out of suspension.
There are additives out there that do say SHAKE BEFORE USE and in cases such as that, you can bet that kind of additive will come out of suspension.
On LS1tech some posted that after he pulled his engine after tens of thousands of miles using Royal Purple, there was a brown sheen covering everything like it was anodized. However he had no bearing wear. So can this be this Moly plating up inside the engine parts. I find this very intreging. The guy stopped using RP because he didn't like the looks of the very smooth plating. But I'm wondering if this plating is what moly is doing and if actually beneficial to wear after it plates up, and makes an engine run smoother too.
Leo
[ June 25, 2003, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
Leo
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MolaKule
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The Moly that is in Schaeffer's, Redline, and Mobil 1 is the Moly dithiocarbamate, totally in solution, not suspension, and doesn't settle out.
The powdered moly sulfide used in some gear oils and greases would settle out, but I know of no modern formulated oil that uses the powdered version.
The powdered moly sulfide used in some gear oils and greases would settle out, but I know of no modern formulated oil that uses the powdered version.
I've used moly containing oils for many years. Unknowingly in Pennzoil now knowingly in Schaeffer's. I have never seen sediment in any of the bottles.
Patman
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I don't think moly was added to most Pennzoil viscosities until the latest SL formulation though. I know the SJ 15w40 long life had moly, but I don't believe the 5w30, 10w30 or 10w40 versions in SJ formula contained moly.
I have asked this question before, and I heard all about the virtues of Moly. However, it seems to me that a good "moly-less" dino like Chevron does as well on UOA as moly containing dinos.
Am I wrong?
[ June 25, 2003, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: novadude ]
Am I wrong?
[ June 25, 2003, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: novadude ]
I have an idea that the "moly" situation is similar to two guys, one has health insurance and one does not. If no one gets sick then there is no difference in their performance. If illness strikes, then a difference becomes apparent.
The amazing thing about Moly is that Amsoil told me repeatedly that they don't use it bc it can fall out of solution. Are they really behind the times here? C'mon, every motor oil I can think of uses it and it has proven it self to be very well worth it.
Let me just say that I'm glad you are on this board sharing your knowlegde with us. Great, informative answer.
The sdiment you saw at the bottom of your bottles was most likely heavy by-products. It was most likely ashphalt!
Dave, I'd appreciate you supporting this comment. Where do you see this? There are many cummings engines running Schaeffers and I've yet to see where this statement is true.
Bob,
I recall reading this thread on why Delvac 1 didn't have Moly and what was reported was that it had to do with the with roller lifters needing a different type of friction modifier with more grip.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=22;t=000002
I recall reading this thread on why Delvac 1 didn't have Moly and what was reported was that it had to do with the with roller lifters needing a different type of friction modifier with more grip.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=22;t=000002
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