Why is sludge so bad?

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I know its not good, but what exactly does it do that makes us want to get rid of it so bad? assuming the engine is well cared for from now on out, why will it last longer if its sludge free than if its left with the sludge?

Excuse the stupidity of my question
 
In the shop, we generally clean it out as perfectly as possible, or leave it alone. Chunks can break off with a 1/2 job and create real problems.
 
OK...gotta be really careful here (RE: sludge):

just like Octane rating in gasoline, sludge is an overly generalised term for oil-related deposits inside a 4-cycle internal combustion engine. General pubic perceived anything from visual coatings (most of them call this varnish but I have seen some autoparts/mechanics insisting in calling it "sludge" to some serious hard, cabon-like deposits on the upper portion of the valve train section.

With the introduction of PCV system (aka "positive crankcase ventilation"), the use of unleaded gasoline, the constant technical advancement in power output(efficiency), emissions control and environment-related pollution reduction, almost all gasoline engines with emission controls runs hotter than before, requires to push the power output and emissions envelope far beyond what automotive engineers would have never imagined possible some 20~30yrs ago.

That being said, however, with all these technological advancements and emissions standards come a whole new kind of ballgame (or issues, for that matter), and that is the accelerated deterioriation of engine lubricant and different requirements in terms of maintaining a wide thermal operating range, cleanliness, valvetrain wear, AW/EP/Anti-scuffing properties, anti-foaming, longer oil change/servicing duration, ability to absorb/handle moisture , exhaust gas from ring leaks, burnt fuel additives byproducts, gasoline-related byproducts, oil dilution caused by cold-starts, etc.as a form of combustion byproducts, and so much more.

Sludge are normally associated to 1 or more of the aforementioned issues and sometimes bad gasoline/motor oil chemistry as well. It's dark in colour and mushy texture, and sometimes depending the how long the issue has been, it can becomes crusty dark/black in colour.

Modern latest automobile approved API/ILSAC graded multi-viscosity motor oils are very good in controlling the formation of sludge, even if you choose to go with proper API rated off-da-shelf supermarket no-name motor oil. That being said, however, most automobile users/owners nowadays tend to abuse their vehicle far more often by neglecting one or more of the following:

-tuneups. Proper ignition timing and top-notch fuel delivery and mixing will ensure optimal power output, minimal(per design specifications) exhaust gas byproducts, and minimal oil dilution due to fuel injector related problems. A weak spark is pretty much as evil as a slightly bad injectors IMHO.

-missing proper PCV servicing. PCV is designed to ensure proper internal venting and recirculation of combustion bypass gas, evaporated fuel fumes from hot motor oil, trapped moisture, etc. goes back into the combustion chamber to be re-burn again (2nd time round). Given the rather hot running engine design these days, the tendency of a clogged PCV system is very, very high and frequent. Regrettably, most mechanics I spoke to inc. stealerships tend to ignore this part (and I've been giving them #@$%!).

-skipped oil maintenance or totally disregarded OCI service. Yes, even though most car manufacturers claimed motor oil servicing to be good for 5000+miles OCI (with decent API/ILSAC rated motor oil), the trouble is, I've seen over 2/3 of auto owners tend to drive past 10,000miles before they change out their already severely oxidised, additive-depleted motor oil. Some of them consistently do so on a regular bases, and when their cars starting to smoke due to stuck oil control rings, they lay blame to the car manufacturers....(you know the rest of the story).

-inferior/inconsistent bulk motor oil used in most OC chains and stealerships. While these are mostly properly API rated, with mainly Gp 1 or Gp 1+2 blend in mineral oil grade, I recall from Molakule or Terry Dyson that these oils have just barely met the API requirements and they envelopes tend to go far quicker than brand name proper API rating and grade brand name motor oil. Guess what? next thing you know, with that evil 10,000miles skipped oil changes, you'll get sludge, stuck oil control rings and/or accelerated valve stem/seal wear.

IMHO sludge is a culmination of
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a)oxidized motor oil base (insolubles),(b)combustion byproducts; (c)clumming of the supposedly suspended dirt particles, carbon byproducts, PCV byproducts, moisture, etc., with (a) being the biggest contributor of all. All properly, chemically-balanced multi-vis API multigrade motor can stay clean/combat sludge formation so long as the aforementioned practices have been rigidly observed.

IMHO you have to be more specific as to what you mean by "well cared for from now on out". Do you mean cosmetically? or mechanically (inc. conservative OCI with quality motor oil)? If latter is what you referring to, there shall not be the possibility of sludge forming.

why will engine lasts longer if sludge free than if it's left with sludge? Simple.

Consider sludge is the "consequence" to the cause of maintenance and engine servicing neglect (cause), a sludged up engine is a sure sign of engine neglect and when you see that, it just means that the engine is on it's way to some serious servicing, or overhaul/rebuild it what I would refer to.

A properly maintained engine with proper API rating should have 0 problems maintaining it's sludge free status throughout it's entire service life.
 
Quest good reply, but i think you missed what i meant.

I mean say i buy a used car, its got sludge (the thick tar like black goo type) from lack of oil changes, and it has 50,000 miles. If i posted pics on here, everyone would say Auto-Rx it, but why, assuming i from now on out change the oil reguraly with good oil, what does the presence of sludge versus the presence of no sludge do for the life of an engine and why?

Is that better put?

Thanks
 
The presence of gooey sludge on a used car is a sign of service/maintenance neglect, and you'll be better off to go with one of the same model/type/mileage/brand used car with no visible sign of sludge in it's engine, if you want to keep that vehicle on the road longer.

Like I said before: in my opinion, sludge is a visual indicator and a visual sign that the engine may have suffered from service neglect, and from that point onwards, your engine may starting to go downhill (mostly gradually clogged oil control rings in your pistons, causing blue smoking and oil burns), valve guides and stem seal issues (meaning that your car may get morning puff of smokes or worse-yet, high mileage Mitsu engine oil burning problems).

In a nutshell: given the visual signs of sludge in a car engine can be a fairly good predictor of how long the original engine can provide reasonable service life before it needs to be overhauled. A sludged up engine shall always provide less servicable life before it needs a major service when compared to one that doesn't have sludge.

AutoRx and a some cleaners can clean out the sludge up to a certain degree but ultimately, it's the preventative maintenance that makes the whole world of difference when it comes to extending the useful service life of an engine.

Hope that helps.

(IMHO try to stay away from buying a sludged up car. Afterall: what good is the owner on the rest of the vehicle maintenance if he/she would even consider in neglecting basic service maintenance such as oil changes??)
 
I've always equated sludge with cholesterol; but with engines, it's possible to have zero with minimum effort.
 
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This is completly hypothetical, i understand perfectly to steer clear of an engine with sludge as it must've been neglected to get there.

My question isnt about the past of the car, i want to know why is it better to clean up a formerly sludged car than to just drive it with the sludge in there (assuming i use good oil and a good OCI).
 
I've seen sludge actually CAUSE problems in a few cases. I've owned two engines in really #@$%! old cars (1978 Old Cutlass on at least its second engine and gawd knows how many miles, and 1996 Olds Achieva with 188K miles) that had pretty significant sludge issues.

The '78 Cutlass had an Olds 350, and the sludge had actually plugged the oil holes in the pushrods (among other things), leading to oiling problems in the rocker arms. That engine was amazing when i tore it down- there was so much sludge in it that when I removed the intake manifold, it was pretty much a solid block of oil gunk underneath- what oil actually DID get to the rocker arms had to drain back around the pushrods (they moved enough to keep a small area clear, I guess).

That '96 Achieva had less sludge, but it was enough to plug the two small oil drain holes in the rear cylinder head. This required that the oil pool up in the rear valve cover high enough to flow back around the pushrods- high enough that the PCV valve in that rear valve cover was sucking oil right into the intake. Cleaned out the oil holes, put new oil in it, and it ran good. The oil looked REAL nasty for the first couple of oil changes, though.

Also, my grandpa had a 1976 Plymout Valient that lost oil pressure one day. Turns out, he hadn't changed the oil in a LONG time, and enough sludge built up on the oil pump screen that it just could suck any oil. He pulled the oil pan, cleaned it off, and drove it for years... and probably still didn't change the oil more than every two or three years.
 
Ok, this word filter on the BITOG site is ridiculous. It just filtered out c-r-a-p-p-y. #@$%! on a cracker.
 
Onion hit it fairly close. Sludge can clog oil passages and starve key bearing surfaces of lubrication. Lifters, timing chain, and rod/crank bearings can be affected, shortening the life of the engine significantly.
 
So many good posts here so I need only add one more thing. Sludge is more or less acidic and can cause rust and deteriorate rubber engine seals, and it can block seals from fresh oil causing them to dry out.
 
Yep, no doubt about it.....sludge is bad. I think I had an idea that this was true even before reading the stuff at the link. I've never experienced sludge in 40 years of driving and changing my own oil (the time-honored 3 months / 3K O&F change), but things are changing. My questions about extended OCIs and synthetic oils, which I thought were being answered from readings on this site and elsewhere, have suddenly returned. I've been running Mobil 1 0W-40 for the past 5 years in two leased SAABs, the 9-5 with the 2.3 turbo engine. I change the oil & filter myself at 5K intervals, and have seen no signs of sludge. What I've been reading, however, is anything but reassuring.
 
One of the most damaging effects of sludge is to partially clog the oil pickup screen in the sump. When this happens oil flow to the engine is compromised and it eventually fails due to lack of lubrication.

TD
 
If someone is interested in buying a used car, what's the best way to assess for sludge. My BMW has some sort of baffle inside the oil fill opening, so I can't see anything. I guess other vehicles might have the same visual limitation. Do you ask your trusted mechanic to take down the oil pan (at buyer's expense) and take a look?
Thanks.
 
DO YOU WANT CLOGGED ARTRIES? YOU WILL DIE FASTER DUE TO LACK OF NUTRTION!!! THE ENGINE WILL DIE DUE TO LACK OF LUBRICATION!!! COMMON SENSE MY FRIEND
 
Yes,

In order to properly assess an engine based on visual inspection, taking off valve cover is one of the good ways. Another thing is to take off the oil pan and inspect the oil pickup screen for large chunks of debris.
 
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