Who blends Mercedes-Benz AMG 0W-40?

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Was at the Mercedes dealer yesterday, and they have three different oils they use for different cars. For most cars, it's Fuchs Titan SuperSyn 5W-40. For AMG vehicles they have two options; Mobil 1 0W-40 and Genuine AMG High Performance 0W-40. Just wondering if anyone's in the know about who blends Genuine AMG 0W-40? It's blended in Belgium, could it be Castrol? Here's more information on another forum.
 
Does it say Mobil 1 on the filler cap?

Mobil 1 makes 5W-50 for the SLS, they partner with AMG. I was unaware AMG had oil aside from Mobil 1 that they use.
 
Originally Posted By: zveroboy
It might also be AMG's F1 partner, Petronas;
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/mercede...tronas-feature/

they have a factory in Belgium, in Aartselaar.l
https://www.pli-petronas.com/about/global-operations

It's just a guess, I don't know nothing for sure.



I'd guess this is either Petronas or Exxon (who also blend in Belgium). This oil almost certainly contains Shellvis 200, a very low SSI Styrene-Isoprene VII. The KV100 of 12.87 cst is only just above the spec min. of 12.5 so it's clearly not shearing on KO30. In truth, this is more like a glorified 0W-30 than a 0W-40. Both Petronas and Exxon have strong technology links to Infineum who peddle Shellvis VII's.
 
Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
Originally Posted By: zveroboy
It might also be AMG's F1 partner, Petronas;
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/mercede...tronas-feature/

they have a factory in Belgium, in Aartselaar.l
https://www.pli-petronas.com/about/global-operations

It's just a guess, I don't know nothing for sure.



I'd guess this is either Petronas or Exxon (who also blend in Belgium). This oil almost certainly contains Shellvis 200, a very low SSI Styrene-Isoprene VII. The KV100 of 12.87 cst is only just above the spec min. of 12.5 so it's clearly not shearing on KO30. In truth, this is more like a glorified 0W-30 than a 0W-40. Both Petronas and Exxon have strong technology links to Infineum who peddle Shellvis VII's.


That's very interesting!
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Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
Originally Posted By: zveroboy
It might also be AMG's F1 partner, Petronas;
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/mercede...tronas-feature/

they have a factory in Belgium, in Aartselaar.l
https://www.pli-petronas.com/about/global-operations

It's just a guess, I don't know nothing for sure.



I'd guess this is either Petronas or Exxon (who also blend in Belgium). This oil almost certainly contains Shellvis 200, a very low SSI Styrene-Isoprene VII. The KV100 of 12.87 cst is only just above the spec min. of 12.5 so it's clearly not shearing on KO30. In truth, this is more like a glorified 0W-30 than a 0W-40. Both Petronas and Exxon have strong technology links to Infineum who peddle Shellvis VII's.


KO90 if its for MB.

Good job its not an OCP hey
 
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
Originally Posted By: SonofJoe
Originally Posted By: zveroboy
It might also be AMG's F1 partner, Petronas;
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/mercede...tronas-feature/

they have a factory in Belgium, in Aartselaar.l
https://www.pli-petronas.com/about/global-operations

It's just a guess, I don't know nothing for sure.



I'd guess this is either Petronas or Exxon (who also blend in Belgium). This oil almost certainly contains Shellvis 200, a very low SSI Styrene-Isoprene VII. The KV100 of 12.87 cst is only just above the spec min. of 12.5 so it's clearly not shearing on KO30. In truth, this is more like a glorified 0W-30 than a 0W-40. Both Petronas and Exxon have strong technology links to Infineum who peddle Shellvis VII's.


KO90 if its for MB.

Good job its not an OCP hey



Don't MB still insist that the OEM oils have to meet basic ACEA specs like A3/B4 in which case, at some stage the oil will have been tested against KO30?
Okay, so the oil has to do KO90. At equal SSI, what fares better on KO90, OCP or HSI? OCP no?
Put zero SSI HSI against 22 SSI OCP, and yes, HSI does better on KO90 but put zero SSI HSI against an lowish SSI OCP (didn't BASF make one donkey's years ago?) and the OCP would hold its own... hey...
 
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Originally Posted By: Popsy
+1 on Petronas. Maybe Syntium 7000?


According to the last paragraph on this https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/mercede...tronas-feature/

"...these cutting edge fuels were followed by the launch of PETRONAS Syntium engine oil with CoolTech in Asia and Europe during 2015, with Syntium 7000 becoming factory fill for a growing range of Mercedes-AMG turbocharged direct injection road-cars"
 
Thanks for the input, appears we nailed it down to what it is. The price for this stuff is $22 a liter!
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Appears this is a PAO based oil, too. If you look at the German data sheet:

Quote:
PETRONAS Syntium 7000 0W-40 ist ein vollsynthetisches Schmiermittel
 
Originally Posted By: WhoKnows
Its got moly (about 150ppm) inside and Noack at 9,0. There's only one problem- CCS, this oil isnt a 0w, its some kind of 2,5w.


The CCS test is one of those tests which is notoriously unreproducible. What this means in simple terms is that even with the best calibrated equipment, it's quite possible for different labs to get CCS readings on the same sample which differ by 200 to 300 cP. I'm sure at some stage someone, somewhere tested this oil and got a CCS of 6200 cP or less and signed the batch of oil off as legitimately being on-grade.

Quite often, oil companies will have internal CCS specs which are a couple of hundred cP below the official J-300 limits, just to give themselves some headroom in case the oil ever gets retested in the field and 'tests high'. Sadly this practice directionally makes for a marginally worse quality and more expensive oil and given that oils hardly ever get retested once they leave the blend plant isn't IMO justified.
 
Originally Posted By: WhoKnows
Its got moly (about 150ppm) inside and Noack at 9,0. There's only one problem- CCS, this oil isnt a 0w, its some kind of 2,5w.



One should bear in mind that the russian VOA was made on the OLD Petronas 7000 (see old packaging in the link ); it was a Gr III based oil

old Petronas 7000 VOA

The new formula (mid 2015 onwards) has the CoolTech logo on it, the packaging looks quite different ( new Petronas 7000 ), it has plenty of PAO plus a misterious ingredient, that we try to figure out here and here

Popsy 's UOA here , probably on the new version (better oil base and less moly, I suppose? )

At this moment, in W Europe, we can find both versions in the same shops ( old version stocks and the brand new CoolTech version).
 
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Those GR4/5 oils all* seem to have very similar add packs, as far as the metallic content goes: a bit Boron, 2000 and a bit calcium, a bit silicon (I think the ester are more likely to foam, or is it the PAO?) and around 1000 ppm zinc.

I think the moly might be from a previous oil? remember there could be up to a litre of old oil left, and that colt has a small sump.

*red line is an exception, with usually lots more additives.
 
For what it's worth, I can't tell which version it was, can't remember, was bought in December 2015 because OC was done on 27/12/2015 (along with gearbox OC and spark plugs replacement). For what it's worth, previous oil was SHU 5W40, old formula without GTL (and moly). Maybe it diluted the Syntium 7000 a bit?

The Colt has a ridiculous ~3,25L sump, only 3L of Petronas was poured at the time, which brought the level to ~3/4 full.
 
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