Just started changing my oil myself. I used Penzoil Ultra Platinum in our 2016 Outback with 57K miles. Penzoil Platinum Hiigh Mileage in a 2003 Camry with 144K and 2016 Forester with 108K . I've spent some time on here learning about oil and filters, and am considering using Valvoline Restore and Protect for all on my next change. Or, would I be better off sticking with High Mileage oils on the two that are over 75K, or use Ultra Platinum in all? None currently leak oil, and all run great. All advice and opinions are appreciated!
Which should I use? VRP/PPHM/PUP?
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Bud_One
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Imho, there is no reason to use any of those unless there is a particular reason. I'd choose Valvoline Extended Protection HM oil if I had to use HM oil.
The reason would be it can do what all those other oils can do in addition to dissolve carbon, which the others cannot (except for added seal conditioners of the HM oils which may be beneficial).
OP gave me an impression they were interested in HM oil but never gave a reason why.
VRP would be the oil to clean deposits, I personally had great results with it but I'm not convinced I need to use HM oil on my cars where Sportage as an example has 115k miles on it.
wemay
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There's no reason why someone who's wanted to use HM oils from the start, cant.
I am a huge M1 fan. I worked for Mobil in their flight department way back when. We tested Mobil 245 and SHC100 grease in the company planes. I took parts to the engineers and they measured wear with a scanning electron microscope. Being a complete nerd, when on trips, I'd chat with the petro engineers. And when visiting the labs, I'd chat with the lube engineers. I came to really respect their methodology, knowledge and products.
I've used M1 products ever since, with fantastic results. All of my vehicles have lasted an insane number of miles. All of my race engines have been successful and every engine I've used M1 in has remained perfectly clean inside. Gobs of race car, motorcycle, aviation and high mile experience.
I'd choose M1, Extended Performance with confidence. Go to WalMart, purchase the 5 quart jugs.
Here is a look under the cap of my Jaguar 2.5L V6. An engine known for connecting rod issues. 235,000 miles, redline every shift (it is underpowered) and zero issues. Still running strong, still silent and smooth. The pic does not show it well, but a look inside shows perfect cleanliness. No sludge, no varnish, no timing chain issues, no VVT issues. My choice of oil prevented the known problems.
I've used M1 products ever since, with fantastic results. All of my vehicles have lasted an insane number of miles. All of my race engines have been successful and every engine I've used M1 in has remained perfectly clean inside. Gobs of race car, motorcycle, aviation and high mile experience.
I'd choose M1, Extended Performance with confidence. Go to WalMart, purchase the 5 quart jugs.
Here is a look under the cap of my Jaguar 2.5L V6. An engine known for connecting rod issues. 235,000 miles, redline every shift (it is underpowered) and zero issues. Still running strong, still silent and smooth. The pic does not show it well, but a look inside shows perfect cleanliness. No sludge, no varnish, no timing chain issues, no VVT issues. My choice of oil prevented the known problems.
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So my van is over 200k miles now. Should I worry about the seals?
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Mobil 1 fanboy here. Mobil 1 0w16 got my van to 200k miles. I am pretty confident my motor looks like that too. Thanks for sharing the picture.I am a huge M1 fan. I worked for Mobil in their flight department way back when. We tested Mobil 245 and SHC100 grease in the company planes. I took parts to the engineers and they measured wear with a scanning electron microscope. Being a complete nerd, when on trips, I'd chat with the petro engineers. And when visiting the labs, I'd chat with the lube engineers. I came to really respect their methodology, knowledge and products.
I've used M1 products ever since, with fantastic results. All of my vehicles have lasted an insane number of miles. All of my race engines have been successful and every engine I've used M1 in has remained perfectly clean inside. Gobs of race car, motorcycle, aviation and high mile experience.
I'd choose M1, Extended Performance with confidence. Go to WalMart, purchase the 5 quart jugs.
Here is a look under the cap of my Jaguar 2.5L V6. An engine known for connecting rod issues. 235,000 miles, redline every shift (it is underpowered) and zero issues. Still running strong, still silent and smooth. The pic does not show it well, but a look inside shows perfect cleanliness. No sludge, no varnish, no timing chain issues, no VVT issues. My choice of oil prevented the known problems.
3 jugs of Mobil 1 EP are going for $80 at Walmart. Comes in a sealed case. Really good deal on a great oil
While M1 EP is a very good oil , have you considered using M1 ESP newer formulations such as the M1 0W30 / 5W30 ESP oils ?I am a huge M1 fan. I worked for Mobil in their flight department way back when. We tested Mobil 245 and SHC100 grease in the company planes. I took parts to the engineers and they measured wear with a scanning electron microscope. Being a complete nerd, when on trips, I'd chat with the petro engineers. And when visiting the labs, I'd chat with the lube engineers. I came to really respect their methodology, knowledge and products.
I've used M1 products ever since, with fantastic results. All of my vehicles have lasted an insane number of miles. All of my race engines have been successful and every engine I've used M1 in has remained perfectly clean inside. Gobs of race car, motorcycle, aviation and high mile experience.
I'd choose M1, Extended Performance with confidence. Go to WalMart, purchase the 5 quart jugs.
Here is a look under the cap of my Jaguar 2.5L V6. An engine known for connecting rod issues. 235,000 miles, redline every shift (it is underpowered) and zero issues. Still running strong, still silent and smooth. The pic does not show it well, but a look inside shows perfect cleanliness. No sludge, no varnish, no timing chain issues, no VVT issues. My choice of oil prevented the known problems.
I haven’t kept up on valvoline offerings as far as high mileage goes. But, I leased a 2018 rougue that I bought during Covid (was crazy not to) at that time. Even though I leased it I was meticulous on maintenance, oil changes every 4-5k. I stumbled into meijer store one day and cleaned out enough max life 0-20 synthetic to get me to 85k @ $1.92 a qt. Now at 105k, that engine is absolutely spotless and runs like a Swiss watch. Maybe it was the interval and any oil would have done the same, but I’m sold. I’ve since used schaeffers and RP HPS but see or hear no difference and have no regrets about the Valvoline.
HM oil is essentially for when you are trying to bandaid an actively leaking old engine. If you don't have any leaks, forget the HM and stick with regular oils.
I have 217k on my van and it's never seen an HM oil. It also doesn't use or burn seemingly any oil at all. My GX has 170k and likewise (to my knowledge) never got HM oil. Both have minor seeps that don't drip or cause any observable change in oil level over an interval.
Thank you! That's what I needed to hear!
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