^ This - If you couldn't tell the Charger was RWD, you will be happy with FWD or RWD - shouldn't matter.
What's left as used RWD compacts?
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
Outside of your budget, but I like the looks of the BMW 1 series. It seems to be closer to the size of the BMW 2002, but with some fun 6 cylinder engines.
Had our 1982 320i (larger [censored] child of the 2002) next to a 2009 BMW 135i yesterday, the 1-series is substantially larger than the 3-series, even.
Surprising.
Outside of your budget, but I like the looks of the BMW 1 series. It seems to be closer to the size of the BMW 2002, but with some fun 6 cylinder engines.
Had our 1982 320i (larger [censored] child of the 2002) next to a 2009 BMW 135i yesterday, the 1-series is substantially larger than the 3-series, even.
Surprising.
There's also Mazda RX-8 that someone mentioned in another thread. Not sure if you can find an early (2004?) model for under $10K though...
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Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Outside of your budget, but I like the looks of the BMW 1 series. It seems to be closer to the size of the BMW 2002, but with some fun 6 cylinder engines.
Had our 1982 320i (larger [censored] child of the 2002) next to a 2009 BMW 135i yesterday, the 1-series is substantially larger than the 3-series, even.
Surprising.
2011 135i Convertible:
Code:
Curb Weight MT 3638
Height 55.6
Length 171.7
Track (Front) 58.0
Track (Rear) 59.3
Weight Distribution MT (Front) 49
Weight Distribution MT (Rear) 51
Wheelbase 104.7
Width 68.8
1991 318i:
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Curb Weight MT 2657
Height 54.3
Length 175.2
Track (Front) 55.4
Track (Rear) 55.7
Weight Distribution MT (Front) 54
Weight Distribution MT (Rear) 46
Wheelbase 101.2
Width 64.8
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Outside of your budget, but I like the looks of the BMW 1 series. It seems to be closer to the size of the BMW 2002, but with some fun 6 cylinder engines.
Had our 1982 320i (larger [censored] child of the 2002) next to a 2009 BMW 135i yesterday, the 1-series is substantially larger than the 3-series, even.
Surprising.
2011 135i Convertible:
Code:
Curb Weight MT 3638
Height 55.6
Length 171.7
Track (Front) 58.0
Track (Rear) 59.3
Weight Distribution MT (Front) 49
Weight Distribution MT (Rear) 51
Wheelbase 104.7
Width 68.8
1991 318i:
Code:
Curb Weight MT 2657
Height 54.3
Length 175.2
Track (Front) 55.4
Track (Rear) 55.7
Weight Distribution MT (Front) 54
Weight Distribution MT (Rear) 46
Wheelbase 101.2
Width 64.8
What does the non-convertable weight? I can look it up, hang on...
The i128 Coupe gets closer, but is still heavy. Air bags and what not add to the weight.
Measurements
* Width: 68.8 in.
* Height: 56.0 in.
* Length: 171.7 in.
* Front track: 58.4 in.
* Rear track: 59.7 in.
* Wheel base: 104.7 in.
* Gross weight: 4134 lbs.
* Gross weight: 0.31 in.
* Curb weight: 3252 lbs.
So it's about 600# heavier than the 318i listed, but comes with a bigger engine, wider track, shorter length.
The i128 Coupe gets closer, but is still heavy. Air bags and what not add to the weight.
Measurements
* Width: 68.8 in.
* Height: 56.0 in.
* Length: 171.7 in.
* Front track: 58.4 in.
* Rear track: 59.7 in.
* Wheel base: 104.7 in.
* Gross weight: 4134 lbs.
* Gross weight: 0.31 in.
* Curb weight: 3252 lbs.
So it's about 600# heavier than the 318i listed, but comes with a bigger engine, wider track, shorter length.
JHZR2
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While my 135i does everything better, the tossability and fun to drive character of my 318i is tough to beat.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
While my 135i does everything better, the tossability and fun to drive character of my 318i is tough to beat.
Looks like the 3-series is an inch shorter, 4 inches narrower, 5 inches longer, 1000 lbs lighter, and 3 inch shorter wheelbase.
My how we have grown for the 1 to be basically "larger" than the 3 of 20 years ago.
While my 135i does everything better, the tossability and fun to drive character of my 318i is tough to beat.
Looks like the 3-series is an inch shorter, 4 inches narrower, 5 inches longer, 1000 lbs lighter, and 3 inch shorter wheelbase.
My how we have grown for the 1 to be basically "larger" than the 3 of 20 years ago.
Miata's are VERY reliable, fairly plentiful, and can fit more person that they look. Plus, they are easy to tweak, if you choose to go tht route - lots of aftermarket.
The only thing that hasn't been brought up in this thread is a Mustang. Shop carefully, and you could even get a much older Fox-bodies 87-93 with a V-8 that will do what you want.
The only thing that hasn't been brought up in this thread is a Mustang. Shop carefully, and you could even get a much older Fox-bodies 87-93 with a V-8 that will do what you want.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
There's also Mazda RX-8 that someone mentioned in another thread. Not sure if you can find an early (2004?) model for under $10K though...
Fuel economy is abyssmal.
I could average a little over 20mpg on my 12A powered RX-7 if I stayed out of the secondaries. I don't know of many 13Bs or RENESIS that do that well.
There's also Mazda RX-8 that someone mentioned in another thread. Not sure if you can find an early (2004?) model for under $10K though...
Fuel economy is abyssmal.
I could average a little over 20mpg on my 12A powered RX-7 if I stayed out of the secondaries. I don't know of many 13Bs or RENESIS that do that well.
Originally Posted By: addyguy
The only thing that hasn't been brought up in this thread is a Mustang.
That's because he said he wanted a 4-cylinder engine.
The only thing that hasn't been brought up in this thread is a Mustang.
That's because he said he wanted a 4-cylinder engine.
WILL require work, almost guaranteed.
2200-2400 lbs rear drive, enough power to have tons of fun, easily upgradable, reliable as can be (if taken care of)
Oh, and before I modified the [censored] out of it, I got between 28 and 36 MPG with my first one, with one tank at 38.
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Originally Posted By: Pesca
Solstice and Sky: My future ex-FIL has one, and yes it looks good, engine quite on the big size (What is the Fuel ratings on it?), but they are still a bit young (2006 and up) so still quite too expensive for me (about 15.000$ and more in my area).
Fuel ratings are in the 22 city to 28 hwy range, I believe.
I don't do real city driving (i.e. downtown Atlanta, etc.) much, but I average 28ish -- or better if I go easy on the GXP. On a trip at 60-65 mph I could probably bring in well over 30 (think 32-34 area). Not bad for 290/340 power stats.
Solstice and Sky: My future ex-FIL has one, and yes it looks good, engine quite on the big size (What is the Fuel ratings on it?), but they are still a bit young (2006 and up) so still quite too expensive for me (about 15.000$ and more in my area).
Fuel ratings are in the 22 city to 28 hwy range, I believe.
I don't do real city driving (i.e. downtown Atlanta, etc.) much, but I average 28ish -- or better if I go easy on the GXP. On a trip at 60-65 mph I could probably bring in well over 30 (think 32-34 area). Not bad for 290/340 power stats.
Pre-2002 Lexus SC 300/400
MR2, 240SX, Miata, S2000, Solstice, Sky, Fiero, etc.
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Problem with an S2000 is gas mileage is on par with my LS1 City and Highway.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
There's also Mazda RX-8 that someone mentioned in another thread. Not sure if you can find an early (2004?) model for under $10K though...
I have seen and heard of way too many early engine deaths in the RX-8.
There's also Mazda RX-8 that someone mentioned in another thread. Not sure if you can find an early (2004?) model for under $10K though...
I have seen and heard of way too many early engine deaths in the RX-8.
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Problem with an S2000 is gas mileage is on par with my LS1 City and Highway.
yeah but weight is the most expensive thing in a car if you care about handling.
Problem with an S2000 is gas mileage is on par with my LS1 City and Highway.
yeah but weight is the most expensive thing in a car if you care about handling.
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