Wanting one oil for tundra and BMW. Help please

[unoit]

Good day,
I would like to have one oil for both vehicles. Thinking Mobil ESP 0-30w will work from what I have researched. Vehicle’s are a 2021 Tundra with the 5.7 V8 and. BMW X4 with twin turbo that calls for 0-20w LL-17FE. Your thoughts please.

 

[Ed_Flecko]

Have you looked at Castrol or Ravenol?

https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...168D1DE802586D20033648E/$File/wepp-c2x7ve.pdf

https://www.ravenolamerica.com/passenger-car-products/0w-20-motor-oil-ravenol-efs/

Ed

 

[RooflessVW]

M1 ESP 0W-30 or even FS 0W-40 would be great for both

 

[cheesepuffs2]

ESP would be my choice in your situation too. Always available right on the shelf at Walmart, which to me makes the difference. Why order something more expensive and difficult to obtain when there's an excellent product right there?

 

[Ed_Flecko]

ESP, either 20 or 30, looks like great oil, but neither carry the BMW spec the OP needs.

Ed

 

[unoit]

That’s the one thing that bugs me. I don’t get the BMW spec with the ESP 0-30w. Maybe better to go with ESP 0-20w for the BMW. it doesn’t have the LL-17FE spec but seems more in-line with a LL-17FE. I have gone down so many rabbit holes researching my head hurts.

 

[f355spider]

What year is the BMW and what engine? (I wouldn't be overly concerned with the Tundra, they can run on most anything)
So tailor your choice leaning towards the BMW.

For most late model BMWs, you can use LL-01 and LL-04 as an approved alternative. They are readily available in 5w-30 and 0w-30 and those approvals would be preferable if allowed for your engine.

With the year and engine I can look it up...for some reason I cannot post a PDF file.

Here is a link to the file I found online:
https://cdncloudcart.com/30518/files/doc/bmw-oil.pdf?1705582825

Please note there is an exception for North America...but it is surmised it is either due to fuel mileage concerns or possibly outdated concerns about sulphur in NA fuels...which is no longer an issue.

Also, wait for suggestions from edyvw and kschachn. They will have good advice.

 

[dnewton3]

Use whatever is necessary for the BMW. The Tundra will survive with the same; it's not nearly as finicky.

 

[Glenda W.]

ESP 0w30 hands down.

 

[wavinwayne]

If you can live with an oil with the LL-04 spec, you can get Pennzoil Euro L 5w30 from Walmart.com. It's what I run in my 2016 535d.

 

[edyvw]

That’s the one thing that bugs me. I don’t get the BMW spec with the ESP 0-30w. Maybe better to go with ESP 0-20w for the BMW. it doesn’t have the LL-17FE spec but seems more in-line with a LL-17FE. I have gone down so many rabbit holes researching my head hurts.

Go to local Auto Zone or Advance Auto Parts. Castrol Edge 0W30, $37 for 5qt with filter.
I use it in both Sequoia and my BMW. And they have new version which is LL01.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

What makes the BMW engine so picky for oil choice?

 

[edyvw]

What makes the BMW engine so picky for oil choice?

All European manufacturers have their own approvals.
You have in Euro section numerous threads about it.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

All European manufacturers have their own approvals.
You have in Euro section numerous threads about it.

I'm quite aware but that doesn't answer my question. They have their own approvals, but what makes something like Mobil 1 ESP so inadequate in the application?

 

[edyvw]

I'm quite aware but that doesn't answer my question. They have their own approvals, but what makes something like Mobil 1 ESP so inadequate in the application?

ESP 0W30? This particular ESP has Esters, and LL04 does not allow it. Oxidation is a bit higher than what BMW allows.
Personally, doing 5-7.5k intervals is fine.
However, if the warranty is still on, it might be an issue if something goes wrong.

 

[RooflessVW]

I'm quite aware but that doesn't answer my question. They have their own approvals, but what makes something like Mobil 1 ESP so inadequate in the application?

Nothing

 

[unoit]

2021 X4 xdrive 30i, twin turbo 4 cylinder. Also from going down many rabbit holes. Is the LL-17FE and acea C5 basically the same approval rating. Not under factory warranty

 

[edyvw]

2021 X4 xdrive 30i, twin turbo 4 cylinder. Also from going down many rabbit holes. Is the LL-17FE and acea C5 basically the same approval rating. Not under factory warranty

LL17 is far more stringent. ACEA is starting point for European manufacturers. They develop approvals using the corresponding ACEA as a starting point.
Again, your manual says somewhere LL01. Use LL01 if you want oil with higher HTHS. I am using Edge 0W30 (what I wrote earlier). And that 5.7 is as smooth as it can be. Big difference to whatever 0W20 Honda dealer used where I got vehicle.